Global....Cooling?

[Nikos]

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/5851

Interesting, could it be that the alarmists were wrong? :hmmm:
It appears we are now at pre- 1940's temperature.

[Hunter Makoy]

there are alot of scientists that are open to the idea that it could end up being global cooling. if it is, of course it will be worse then global warming.

One of the problems is that its hard to tell if we're going into a steady gradual warming period (global warming), or going into a warming period that then drops off abruptly (global cooling). all we really know is something is changing. and thus they have to keep calling it something different.

[horatius]

The Earth's climate naturally fluctuates. It's always changing, whether warming or cooling. It's just part of the natural cycle.

I'm thinking the alarmists were wrong.

[Admiral Piett]

My opinion on the matter has fluctuated a lot. But I now believe that global warming is a lot of hype. However, that doesn't mean we shouldn't be doing more to keep things cleaner anyway.

[Viking Prince]

My opinion on the matter has fluctuated a lot. But I now believe that global warming is a lot of hype. However, that doesn't mean we shouldn't be doing more to keep things cleaner anyway.

Good approach to many political issues.

[Snoopy]

My opinion on the matter has fluctuated a lot. But I now believe that global warming is a lot of hype. However, that doesn't mean we shouldn't be doing more to keep things cleaner anyway.

Same here.

Looks like Global Warming is just another hoax, shows over folks wait another 10 years and you can watch people get terrified of some other disaster (preferably creative, like the air transforming into Nitrous Oxide for some reason).

Anyway, it looks like most supporters to the theory are drifting away, and most of the evidence is collapsing.

[alhoon]

In the University I'm studying at the time, some support the notion that we're actually entering an ice-age. So we can expect very hot summers that will melt the icecaps and then very cold winters. On average the global temperature will drop slightly.
Average global temperature would have already been 1 Celcius down, but global warming (it's real) kept the drop to less than 1/2 a Celcius.

Evidence from NASA suggests so (said our professor).

[phowa]

Average global temperature would have already been 1 Celcius down, but global warming (it's real) kept the drop to less than 1/2 a Celcius.

lol so basically by screwing up the atmosphere its stopping an ice age

[Ahlerich]

well the articcle says the glaciers gre for the first time in 200 years - so the tendency should be clear. now if the glaciers would grow constantly at least the next 10-25 years we might have something to discuss

[Don in the North]

the term global warming was a preemptive assertion, a coined reference phrase, mostly thanks to media-industry alarmists, the correct term that everyone should be using instead of global cooling/warming is infact,
"Climate Change".

[alhoon]

lol so basically by screwing up the atmosphere its stopping an ice age

Not exactly. By screwing up the atmosphere is postponing a bit an ice age. However, the other problems this causes are bad enough for the world to not be worth a few years. Also this ice age wouldn't be as dramatic as the one 100.000 years ago. It's a kind of middle ice age between really bad ice ages or something.
Ask a geologist.

the term global warming was a preemptive assertion, a coined reference phrase, mostly thanks to media-industry alarmists, the correct term that everyone should be using instead of global cooling/warming is infact,
"Climate Change".

Correct. Although Global warming works.

[Viking Prince]

the term global warming was a preemptive assertion, a coined reference phrase, mostly thanks to media-industry alarmists, the correct term that everyone should be using instead of global cooling/warming is infact,
"Climate Change".

Seems a bit like saying we have a problem and it can go either way -- let's prevent it form moving?

Not speaking as a scientist: Perhaps we should consider "climate change" as a copout that is invented by those who want to use politics to manage lives and do not care for scientifc proof before acting.

If the planet is affected by industrial CO2 emmisions -- it is not on a yoyo string. It will only get warmer or it will get colder -- not either/or. If there is no clear proof of the industrial CO2 as a factor, then do not regulate it.

[chamaeleo]

Not speaking as a scientist: Perhaps we should consider "climate change" as a copout that is invented by those who want to use politics to manage lives and do not care for scientifc proof before acting.

You certainly are not.

The acceptance within the research community is overwhelming. I could go on for hours, but if you don't see a personal advantage to believing me then I will never convince you...no matter how many lines of evidence I provide to you.

[Perkele]

Nothing new here, this has been known for decades.

Al Gore just didn't happen to make a movie about it so the sheeps bought the hype about global warming...


You know, this ing pisses me off. Our prime minister said Al Gore's movie was one of the most important movies he has ever seen, my tax money was used to pay prevent this global warming and all that stuff...and now. Oh maybe it wasn't a problem. Sorry, just another huge mistake by us who know everything. But hey, luckily it was your money and not ours. Btw. we still had some of your money but instead of using it on you we decided to give it to the banks.

[boofhead]

I just think we should all stop seeing planetary climate change as a huge thing. I mean frig our ancestors survived glacial ages, and humans can also learn to exist in heat and aridity - many have done so for tens of thousands of years.

The big "Oh no fear factor!!!" here is little more than "Oh damn, our current lifestyles may have to change, or our numbers may be drastically reduced over time as temperate regions become scarcer over centuries and extremes become more accentuated...."

Welcome to Planet Earth. We don't control the planet or the sun or their cycles. We only live on it.

[ironcurtin117]

Supposedly this winter is going to be the coldest/ worst one for the US in the past century or so. Perhaps there is credit in both Global Warming and Cooling as a self-regulating force in the world (no, not the gaia theory).Earth is a hermetic environment and if it is to maintain its standing, then something must be working behind the scenes....

And we all know what they are:
Murlocks....

[Ummon]

I look out of the window: it seems summer. It has been so for two months. And we are now almost in November. The increase of energy in the system causes larger oscillations, yes, but around a point of equilibrium which is going somehwere in a very clear fashion.

[Keravnos]

http://www.climate-charts.com/

Global Warming predictions for every location.

There used to be an island nation called
tuvalu...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuvalu

now...

At its highest, Tuvalu is only 5 m above sea level, and could be one of the first nations to experience the effects of climate change and sea level rise. Not only could parts of the island be flooded, the rising saltwater table could destroy deep rooted food crops such as coconut and taro, and destroy the coral reefs which provide shelter to local marine life.
In 1978, a tide gauge was installed at Funafuti by the University of Hawaii and measured a sea rise of 1.2 millimetres per year over 23 years, a figure consistent with the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) estimate of 1-2 mm per year over the twentieth century.[17] The collapse of the Greenland ice sheet due to global warming would result in approximately 5 metres of global sea level rise, and the West Antarctic ice sheet collapse would result in 5-15 metres of rise.[18] Putting aside these catastrophic events, the IPCC still predicts a median 40 cm rise in sea level by the end of the twenty-first century, which would undoubtedly have significant effects for Tuvalu.[19]

Tuvalu has asked N. Zealand permission to send over some of its people there, to escape from the rising waters.

It's happening, it's real. It's time we faced up to the problem NOT look the other way.
http://www.thesinkingoftuvalu.com/

The highest point of Tuvalu is only four and a half meters above sea level. The average elevation is not even two.

[Perkele]

http://www.climate-charts.com/



There used to be an island nation called
tuvalu...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuvalu

now...



Tuvalu has asked N. Zealand permission to send over some of its people there, to escape from the rising waters.

It's happening, it's real. It's time we faced up to the problem NOT look the other way.
http://www.thesinkingoftuvalu.com/

Yeah, because again it has been proven that humans are causing it...and throwing bucketfulls of money into this will somehow stop the sun from warming earth...or something.

Oh wait, no it hasn't and it doesn't. In fact, as has been said, global warming and global cooling have been happening since ages long gone and will be happening no matter what we do.

[chamaeleo]

I look out of the window: it seems summer. It has been so for two months. And we are now almost in November. The increase of energy in the system causes larger oscillations, yes, but around a point of equilibrium which is going somehwere in a very clear fashion.

You've almost described it.

It's not a point of equilibrium, rather, a dynamic line of equilibrium which is the sum of all variables (including):

Atmosphere surface: Air temperature PrecipitationAir pressure, sea level pressure (SLP) Surface radiation budget Wind speed and direction Water vapour Ocean surface:Sea surface temperature (SST) Sea surface salinity (SSS) Sea level Sea state Sea ice CurrentOcean colour (for biological activity) Carbon dioxide partial pressure (pCO2) Ocean subsurface:TemperatureSalinityCurrentNutrientsCarbonOcean tracers Phytoplankton

These are just a few, and they all interact w each other to produce +/- feedback mechanisms. The more we learn, the better our model, and the more complex we realize the situation is.