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    Last week was a report done on Bill Moyers about the electoral system and its corruption.

    In his latest essay, Moyers explores news that is not about the campaign or the elections, but about the corporate class' rape of American taxpayer money.

    To me, this is the outrage that isn't. We should be outraged at the gross mismanagement of our economies. And outraged that we are abused like this, the taxpayer, not just in a system of voting that doesn't count our votes, and deliberately goes out of its way to drop us from being able to carry out the most important and fundamental of democratic rights, but indeed gives more power, more voting power, and more money and attention to those who have it all already.

    I may be in the minority right now, as of this time, but capitalism has failed humanity. Communism failed humanity. One system rewarded predatory behavior, the other tried to inhibit the behavior.

    Proudhon was right, both were two systems of the same coin that served to exploit one class or another. Neither reconciled the need to harmonize the classes. Not equate, not render them equal, but harmonize them, to prove to the other that all have a place and all can get along if only we try, and if only we adjust our attitudes to that end.

    What happened on Wall Street, Moyers has made the poignant show of equating it to Objectivism, and he continues with that in the first interview with James K. Galbraith, the economist.

    This is the outrage that isn't. This is the stuff corporate owned media won't show us. This are the things that fuelled the conception of ideologies like socialism. This is what irritated Karl Marx, and had him create an idea that would serve the people, not the people's owners.

    But the outrage, it seems, will come too late. Castrated by beer and television, the masses will look to a quiet god and then to their owners, who will assure them everything is alright.

    But everything isn't, and when people realize that, maybe not in America, but around the world, we just might be looking at a mass movement, a global one, and another batch of revolutions. Time will tell.

    So here are the Moyers interviews and essays, the stuff Rupert Murdoch and corporate-owned media will never want you to know. Their reasons, are entirely speculative.

    http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/10242008/watch.html

    http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/10242008/watch2.html

    "Rich households in America have been leaving both middle and poorer income groups behind. This has happened in many countries but nowhere has this trend been so stark as in the United States." Now there's some real spreading around of the wealth - in one direction: up.
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    Capitalism is still pretty much uber.
    Done more for spreading prosperity then anything else. Oh and if america has any fault it seems to me is that its people like to complain (which i suppose isnt as bad as never complaining at all)
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ncome_equality
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    http://www.oecd.org/document/25/0,33...rssChId=201185

    21/10/2008 - The gap between rich and poor has grown in more than three-quarters of OECD countries over the past two decades, according to a new OECD report.

    OECD’s Growing Unequal? finds that the economic growth of recent decades has benefitted the rich more than the poor. In some countries, such as Canada, Finland, Germany, Italy, Norway and the United States, the gap also increased between the rich and the middle-class.

    Countries with a wide distribution of income tend to have more widespread income poverty. Also, social mobility is lower in countries with high inequality, such as Italy, the United Kingdom and the United States, and higher in the Nordic countries where income is distributed more evenly.



    Launching the report in Paris, OECD Secretary-General Angel Gurría warned of the dangers posed by
    inequality and the need for governments to tackle it. “Growing inequality is divisive. It polarises societies, it divides regions within countries, and it carves up the world between rich and poor. Greater income inequality stifles upward mobility between generations, making it harder for talented and hard-working people to get the rewards they deserve. Ignoring increasing inequality is not an option.”


    Martin Hirsch, Angel Gurría and Anthony Atkinson at the Growing Unequal? launch.


    A key driver of income inequality has been the number of low-skilled and poorly educated who are out of work. More people living alone or in single-parent households has also contributed.


    Some groups in society have done better than others. Those around retirement age have seen the biggest increases in incomes over the past 20 years, and pensioner poverty has fallen in many countries. In contrast, child poverty has increased. (The OECD defines poor as someone living in a household with less than half the median income, adjusted for family size.)

    Children and young adults are now 25% more likely to be poor than the population as a whole. Single-parent households are three times as likely to be poor than the population average. And yet OECD countries spend 3 times more on family policies than they did 20 years ago.

    In developed countries, governments have been taxing more and spending more on social benefits to offset the trend towards more inequality. Without this spending, the report says, the rise in inequality would have been even more rapid.

    But new ways of tackling this issue need to be found, Mr Gurría said. “Although the role of the tax and benefit system in redistributing incomes and in curbing poverty remains important in many OECD countries, our data confirms that its effectiveness has gone down in the past ten years. Trying to patch the gaps in income distribution solely through more social spending is like treating the symptoms instead of the disease.”

    “The largest part of the increase in inequality comes from changes in the labour markets. This is where governments must act. Low-skilled workers are having ever-greater problems in finding jobs. Increasing employment is the best way of reducing poverty,” he said.

    Better education is also a powerful way to achieve growth which benefits all, not just the elites, the report finds. In the short-term, countries have to do better at getting people into work and giving them in-work benefits to provide working families with a boost in income, rather than relying on unemployment, disability and early retirement benefits.
    I refer to my signature for capitalism. It's the best we have right now, but it's failing.
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    Income inequality remains a poor measure of poverty.
    For example, If i had a country composed of 5 people and one guy has a 1 million dollars and 4 have 500,000 compared to another country of 5 people with 250,000 dollars each, Who is poorer?
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    Wealth is a poor measure of quality of life. Income inequality is a good correlate for poor quality of life and high crime rates.

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    Look at Saudi Arabia quite wealthy but the wealth in concentratied in the hands of a very few.
    according to exarch I am like
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    In a lot of ways, you're right, Da Skinna. The EC needs to be either reformed or completely abolished. Amend the Constitution to take it out. It's served to the contrary of all of our democratic principles.
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    I'm absolutely for the electoral college. I'm very hesitant in supporting policies that give more power directly to the people.

    They should have their house elections; and the house should elect the senate. Current national politics is redundant, those divisions are purposeful.

    The "progressive" reforms around the turn of the 19th century were anything but that, they opened up voting to be more easily swindled as the years went on.

    It's not that of an important issue to me though. I think we need to fix of how we vote before we fix the system. It's criminal how broken the method of voting is around the country.

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    True. We at least need a uniform federal voting procedure. At the very least.

    Though, I strongly support changing our voting method, I'm particularly in favor of Condorcet instant-run off.
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    We already do have a uniform federal voting procedure that includes the electoral college process.

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    The electorial needs to be abolished. Let the people really have sa say!

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