What is the benefits of Gothic Knights?

[ETG]

Looking at FAUST, Gothic Knights cost 50 more gold to recruit and 70 more gold upkeep than Teutonic Knights, and also the Teutonic Knights have superior defense.

Also Teutonic Knights are avaliable much earlier in the Campaign. Is it just an aesthetic difference, being than Gothic Knights look much cooler?

Has anyone done any tests?

[Silent Assassin]

I stick with the teutonic knights, because for the cost/quality compared to Gothics it's not even worth it IMO

[The One King]

I dont think gothic knights are better. Not tested btw.

[ETG]

I just tried testnig, but it wont let me have two HRE against each other.
Anyway, French Lancers own Gothic Knights.

[Silent Assassin]

I just tried testnig, but it wont let me have two HRE against each other.
Anyway, French Lancers own Gothic Knights.

I agree French Lancers are quite good how that battle finished??? The Gothic Knights are good don't get me wrong here but like I said for the price your better off without them

[ETG]

Well the French Lancers charged at the Gothics and the Gothics charged but started winning, so I pulled back and charged again and the Gothics routed.

Goths seem to be better twhen static fighting, and Lancers seem better on the charge.

[Point Blank]

Well the GK have armor-piercing maces so will do better in melee.

[NobleNick]

Moving thread to Battle Planning....

The stats for GK vs. TK appear to be the same (including exact same stats for charge, primary and secondary weapon) except for defense:

      total  armor  skill  shield
TK     16      7      5      4
GK     15     10      5      0

And the TK have more armor upgrades available to them. However it is not the full story, to simply say that TK have better defense. TK will generally have better defense in all modes (melee / AP-melee / ranged / AP-ranged). From the front, for un-upgraded units, the numbers are approximately:
TK = 16/13/11/8
GK = 15/10/10/5.

But from the sides, shield numbers get halved, yielding approximately:
TK = 14/11/9/8
GK = 15/10/10/5.

Finally from the back, shield and skill are eliminated, yielding approximately:
TK = 7/4/7/4
GK = 10/5/10/5.

So, GK would typically fare better in situations where flank and back attacks could be expected; whereas TK are clearly better in arrow-rich environments, and if you can keep the flanks and back protected.

There may also be a difference in fear factor and/or mount weight (affects charge) between TK and GK. (I do not know.)

All that said, unless someone could point out a tangible advantage (fear and/or mount weight) I would spend my money on the TK.

[Silent Assassin]

Wow Noble Great answer and yes you are right TK a way better than GK and costs less

[Viking Prince Olaf]

you guys are experts but so far missed an important factor of gothics,...
each western factions have special cavelry units each with different
specialties,.....france and spain have gendarmes,...england has demi
lancers,....denmark has war clerics,...and the italion powers have broken
lances,....and except for clerics all have 8 charge bonus,............see the
pattern yet?....lancers and gendarmes look the same but have different
stats,...but gothics are not fighting cavelry units like the middle eastern.
middle eastern have 14 att and 17 def but 5 charge so each faction has
special cavelry with different specialties,...but anyway; goths have a
more powerful charge than every special ones except gendarmes and
lancers,...but thats because france has the best cavelry in the game
i don't know why tho......:hmmm:but anyway goths are very powerful
cavelry with heavy armour that when at full power and speed can smash
straight through italion spear militia's little spear circle ability and if u don't
believe me try it out on custom

[Taroc]

I tend to find they do better in a prolonged melee situation against heavy infantry such as DFK's becasue of their armor piercing maces, I'm not sure but I think they have a higher charge bonus then the Teutonic knights.

Other then that I like them for there looks.

[Owain Glyndŵr]

This is kinda off-topic, but...

Dismounted Gothic Knights are pretty win, you have to admit. ^_^

[Old_Scratch]

This is kinda off-topic, but...

Dismounted Gothic Knights are pretty win, you have to admit. ^_^

In kingdoms or modded games, yes. In vanilla they can't defeat units half their price.

[Owain Glyndŵr]

In kingdoms or modded games, yes. In vanilla they can't defeat units half their price.

Yeah, you're better off with the Forlorn Hope. So much choppy.

But back on topic, Teutonic Knights are definitely more useful, especially in terms of cost-effectiveness. I don't see much point in upgrading to Gothic Knights unless you just have some bizarre fetish for all that shiny armour.

[Dunecat]

Don't forget about the animations, too...

[Pinky333]

well i think you guys are forgetting that their isnt a unlimited of tk. if you are looking for a full stack of tk you will have to wait for ever , so pretty much you end up building both just so you have a full force!

[HordeOfDoom]

well i think you guys are forgetting that their isnt a unlimited of tk. if you are looking for a full stack of tk you will have to wait for ever , so pretty much you end up building both just so you have a full force!

I agree with this, more cav is always better.

As for the stats posted earlier, it seems GK are better employed as a wrecking ball, tearing into & grinding down the infantry (even if surrounded) while TK are better suited to hit & run, as they'll get rolled fairly quickly if surrounded. Perhaps even use them in unison, GK to tie down the enemy, and TK to hit them from the sides/behind (though I haven't tried this).

[Lysimachus]

I think the type of horse affects it's charging abilities. For example, some armourless horse might just collapse when going up against some armoured infantry while a slower armoured horse might just crash through the unit.

[France]

Lancers own everyone's cavalry not including Mongols or elephants. Lol you should see them charging at full speed they break through any spears you could stick out at them. I'm not really into sword fighting with Lancers but their charge at long distance means instant kill for almost every unit.

[Owain Glyndŵr]

Would anyone here like to pit these two against each other in direct combat? I would, but I won't be finished rebuilding my PC until late Saturday.