The VP's New Clothes

[Revan The Great]

Hello everyone.

Rarely do I post in the 'Mudpit anymore, but being very politically active and savvy I absolutely felt the need to bring this to people's attention, and to give clarity to the issue.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081024/...in_clothing_20

Apparently the GOP spent $150,000 on clothing for Sarah Palin and her family to wear on the campaign trail, to look nice, to look...well...Presidential. Does this, as the article suggest, prove that Sarah Palin is out of touch? That she isn't really a hockey mom? That she's some greedy politician, or worse yet that she's corrupt?

No. No, No, No. Emphatically No.

Does nobody understand? This is to her credit that she needs the GOP to essentially rent her clothing for the campaign. Why? Because unlike Joe Biden, Barack Obama, and John McCain she doesn't have an entire wardrobe of nice clothes. She doesn't have the disposable income, the 'rich' status to pay for these things on her own

If anything, that makes her more like you and I.

I just wanted to make that absolutely clear before the media, with their leftist-slant runs away with this non-issue.

[Gaidin]

If she really wanted to make that point she wouldn't have let them spend 150,000 on clothing and instead told them to spend it on the ad campaign they so desperately need in Pennsylvania.

But that would've been smart.

[Hunter Makoy]

in some ways that's very true, but also for the fact that it really doesn't matter at all. so she got some new clothes? so wat? i haven't seen anything that actually says the quantity that she was rented to her. besides at that level its comparatively not that expensive.

if she was really so out of touch she would have been buying them herself. the media is trying to convince people "she's an elitist cuz she DOESN'T have the money to buy these things herself."

If she really wanted to make that point she wouldn't have let them spend 150,000 on clothing and instead told them to spend it on the ad campaign they so desperately need in Pennsylvania.

But that would've been smart.

well yeah thats all well and good to spend it on ads, but then wat does she do? just go out there naked?

on second thought. . . maybe that would have been smart.

[Roman Rapper]

Well I'll tell you this, and know it is absolute truth.

The financial gap between McCain and Obama is much, much wider than the financial gap between Obama and Palin.

hmmm, that kind of blows your argument out of the water, doesn't it Revan the Great?

[Hunter Makoy]

Well I'll tell you this, and know it is absolute truth.

The financial gap between McCain and Obama is much, much wider than the financial gap between Obama and Palin.

hmmm, that kind of blows your argument out of the water, doesn't it Revan the Great?

except he wasn't talking about any gap between McCain and Obama, and infact basically admited that McCain was an elitest as well.

[Gaidin]

except he wasn't talking about any gap between McCain and Obama, and infact basically admited that McCain was an elitest as well.

Which is the key point. This is the presidential election. The only reason Palin is really in square one is because A - she's new, and B - McCain is 72 years old and not in the greatest of health. If you vote for Obama to be president, odds are you're not voting for Biden to be president. If you vote for McCain to be president, odds are you're also voting for Palin to be president. This is why Palin is getting vetted like all hell as a candidate and Biden's gaffs and wierd political BS are largely getting ignored by comparison. That's really the key point here, and it has nothing to do with the relative wealth of any of the candidates.

well yeah thats all well and good to spend it on ads, but then wat does she do? just go out there naked?

on second thought. . . maybe that would have been smart.

Man but alaska would be a crappy state to not have clothing in.

[Mikelus Trento]

I don't think that amount is outrageous to present her in a more fashionable way. I always thought she looked fashionably attired before she went shopping, but evidently someone on the McCain team wants to make her over FROM what most folks see her as, into someone more presidential? elite?
I'm not sure what their goal is, since again, I thought she looked nicely attired beforehand.

I do see the need to help her a little financially since her salary as governor, which seems a bit paltry in today's world of executives, hardly is enough to keep fashionable AND raise 4? kids?

I already filed this topic under the same one I keep my "Lipstick on a pig" one long ago. I never claimed either side was innocent of ummm silliness.

[Roman Rapper]

he was talking about how Palin is different and seperate from the rest of them nasty politicians because she is in a different financial bracket.
I am pointing out that this is misleading because her financial bracket is actually closer to Obama's than Obama's is to McCain's.

[Revan The Great]

Well I'll tell you this, and know it is absolute truth.

The financial gap between McCain and Obama is much, much wider than the financial gap between Obama and Palin.

hmmm, that kind of blows your argument out of the water, doesn't it Revan the Great?

No. It kind of doesn't.

I think that Obama, with his 1.4 million dollar house is as much 'out of touch' with most Americans as McCain is with his seven houses, only one of which he actually lives in. Palin, however, is quite different. No rich spouse, no sweet book deals to make her millions.

[Gaidin]

No. It kind of doesn't.

I think that Obama, with his 1.4 million dollar house is as much 'out of touch' with most Americans as McCain is with his seven houses, only one of which he actually lives in. Palin, however, is quite different. No rich spouse, no sweet book deals to make her millions.

Obama is only as out of touch as the average lawyer. There's a difference between having access to a high paying career and being rich enough to own 7 houses. His house is only 5x average price if your 1.4 figure is accurate, something easily manageable by the upper middle tier of homeowners that don't have a huge business empire and instead only have a high paying job.

[Mikelus Trento]

no sweet book deals to make her millions.

yet...that you know of

[Kanaric]

She is ticket eye candy, nuff said.

They are going after the cougar chaser vote.

[Kanaric]

I think that Obama, with his 1.4 million dollar house is as much 'out of touch' with most Americans as McCain is with his seven houses, only one of which he actually lives in. Palin, however, is quite different. No rich spouse, no sweet book deals to make her millions.

At least Obama is a self made man who has experienced reality as this country sees it. That can't be said of McCain.

[Roman Rapper]

Revan you are completely wrong. Obama has a vested personal interest in making sure the U.S economy does not collapse. McCain is so rich that no collapse could ever affect him to the point where it brings him to poverty. But Obama only has one house. If he loses that house he is homeless.

McCain however can't seem to remember how many houses he has. Even if he lost 6 houses he would still have a house. he would still have 150 million dollars.

[Revan The Great]

At least Obama is a self made man who has experienced reality as this country sees it. That can't be said of McCain.

That's a bit dishonest. Afterall, McCain was in the military for twenty years, five and a half of which were spent in a Vietnamese prison camp. To paint McCain as elitist and Obama as far from it is wrong.

But thats not the topic of the thread, is it? The fact that Sarah Palin didn't have the $150,000 clothes that Cindy McCain and Michelle Obama have is to her credit if one is to think of her as a much more 'average American' than any of the other three candidates. That's all.

[Mikelus Trento]

That's a bit dishonest. Afterall, McCain was in the military for twenty years, five and a half of which were spent in a Vietnamese prison camp. To paint McCain as elitist and Obama as far from it is wrong.

But thats not the topic of the thread, is it? The fact that Sarah Palin didn't have the $150,000 clothes that Cindy McCain and Michelle Obama have is to her credit if one is to think of her as a much more 'average American' than any of the other three candidates. That's all.

I will help to clear this up for you. McCain used to be an elitist, by being able to stay in Annapolis after misbehaving, a number of times, and allowed to remain because his daddy was an admiral hero. As was his grandpappy. He was also pretty elite when he cracked up 5 military aircraft and was allowed to remain on flying status again, because of those durn relatives. This was actually his "son of elite" stage.

Then for 5 years he was a hero and inspiration. This happened 40 years ago.
There are stories around about his father and he disagreeing about the time he spent as a PoW.

Then he was normal for awhile, but his wife who had stood by him the whole time he as a PoW got in a car wreck, and was paralyzed for awhile, and needed him. McCain decided though at that point he wanted to be elite again, so he married a hottie 17 years younger, and MANY millions richer than him. Slick move, instant elitism. btw, he probably told this second wife "till death do us part" too.

So you see, John McCain has had a full life, from normal to "son of elite" to a long spell now as "elite" (like his lineage was). But his ambition is to move into the "super elite" catagory. To be better than his lineage? Who knows.

btw, what you see as a Palin advantage, her "innocence" shall we call it, is exactly the reason the majority of folks see her totally prepared to become President.

[Gaidin]

btw, what you see as a Palin advantage, her "innocence" shall we call it, is exactly the reason the majority of folks see her totally unprepared to become President.

fixxxxxed?

[Revan The Great]

Well, that's all well and good. Sure, McCain is a rich guy who has led a privileged life. I don't think anyone disputes that.

But to say that Obama isn't the same way is very much wrong. To say that Sarah Palin is the same was is also very wrong.

[Revan The Great]

If you think Sarah Palin is unprepared for being Vice President you must lose sleep at night thinking that something like Obama could be President.

[Gaidin]

If you think Sarah Palin is unprepared for being Vice President you must lose sleep at night thinking that something like Obama could be President.

Now that Freudian slip is totally worth saving.

Also: I don't want her to be VP because she's Dick Cheney after a sex change regarding the powers of that position. Second, I don't want her to be president because, should McCain die, she's President Bush after a sex change with her religious views and her general inability to listen to people.

Next, if we go by your definition of unprepared, then we have to assume that anybody who hasn't held the position of President is unprepared. That means everybody running this election is unprepared. There are two kinds of unprepared. There's the kind that just have this really bad vibe that says they won't listen to anybody and will instead do what they want. This is the running tradition for the GOP for the last eight years. F--k that.

There's the second kind of unprepared that says they will learn fast and will surround themselves with advisors from all sides of the political pool. Thsi is the vibe that Obama carries. This is the 'unprepared'(if we must call it that) that I just flat out prefer in the office.