Philosophy or Religion?

[Alkarin]

Philosophy or Religion? whats the difference? why are they different? why would you argue they are different? why would your choice be the superior choice? discuss

[Event Horizon]

Philosophy is a question and religion is belief in an answer.

[Alkarin]

Philosophy is a way of thought/way of living the way you do things.

[Vladimir Lenin]

They are one and the same.

[Alkarin]

now would you say that religious people 'only' see it as something different or see a neutralist seeing it also as something different?

[Vladimir Lenin]

now would you say that religious people 'only' see it as something different or see a neutralist seeing it also as something different?

I would say that people too often separate Religion and Philosophy. The two don't have to conflict.

Philosophy and Religion are just two different outcomes, they are merely sides of a coin. They are however still a coin (one in the same).

[Alkarin]

and why would they separate the two ideas? because most religions find open mindedness towards other thoughts wrong and sinful?

[Vladimir Lenin]

and why would they separate the two ideas?

I know several people who also try desperately to separate Philosophy and Religion in a secular manner.

because most religions find open mindedness towards other thoughts wrong and sinful?

Sadly, I don't think that's the case. They believe that allowing secular society is inherently bad because it would lead us to a society where values would be eroded and then people would end up going to hell.

They do it out of a misguided sense of love I believe.

I disagree with that world view, my opinion is that God is all, and God is loving.

[Alkarin]

interesting, i have also always found it as that the reason they disagree with philosophy being an equal to religion is because it threatens their religious beliefs and/or power of said beliefs

[Vladimir Lenin]

interesting, i have also always found it as that the reason they disagree with philosophy being an equal to religion is because it threatens their religious beliefs and/or power of said beliefs

A select few perhaps, but generally it's out of a misguided sense of love and salvation.

[Alkarin]

A select few perhaps, but generally it's out of a misguided sense of love and salvation.

can you elaborate? i do not understand your meaning of ' a misguided sense of love and salvation'

unless your portraying to the idea of 'im sorry you dont believe in X, therefore you are due to damnation'

[Vladimir Lenin]

can you elaborate? i do not understand your meaning of ' a misguided sense of love and salvation'

I've been to a Baptist church a few times (I try to go about once a month to a different church/place of worship).

I'm always invited to go for a Potluck lunch, a Church Picnic, a Bible Study, etc. I've talked to the minister before and after service etc...

Everyone in that church sees a nice courteous 15 year old who will burn in hell for an eternity because he rejects Jesus as the co-eternal and co-existent son of God.

They worry for me because hey it's a decent kid who's interested in their church and don't want me going to hell.

That's why I say they do it out of a misguided sense of love and kindness.

[Alkarin]

agreed, an ignorance, but a well intention ignorance. but then again. who am i to say they are wrong when i do not know if i am right myself?

[Vladimir Lenin]

agreed, an ignorance, but a well intention ignorance. but then again. who am i to say they are wrong when i do not know if i am right myself?

I wouldn't call it Ignorance. Ignorance is just tuning out and ignoring the world around you. They do study the Bible and seek out answers, they are just misguided in how they do so.

To me it doesn't matter whether I am right or wrong. I know that if there is a God he exists beyond my understanding. I do know that God is loving.

[Alkarin]

My personal beliefs on the matter is that i do what i can to be a better person and make this world better, now when i die whether i get 42 virgins for eternity, or eternal happiness, or i just rot in the ground. i personally believe that if god does indeed exist, that the true religion he would want us to follow is being good for the sake of good and not for reaping the benefits, i myself do not believe in heaven for lack of scientific proof, but then again science in itself is still in its infancy

[Vladimir Lenin]

if god does indeed exist, that the true religion he would want us to follow is being good for the sake of good and not for reaping the benefits

Agreed. I believe there is a Heaven but we all go there, we are all saved through the grace of God.

I try to act morally and good to be a good person to please God. I try to please God because I love God, for God's love.

[Alkarin]

although most 'religionous' people do it for the sake of going to heaven, even the very pious and chivalrous people i know, they are great people and do great things, but they do not do it for the sake of being good, they do it for the sake of going to heaven

[Vladimir Lenin]

although most 'religionous' people do it for the sake of going to heaven, even the very pious and chivalrous people i know, they are great people and do great things, but they do not do it for the sake of being good, they do it for the sake of going to heaven

God loves them, and they shall receive heaven. Not through our actions but through God's forgiveness.

"Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they will be filled."
Matthew 5:6

I think we all as humans (who are sane) hunger and thirst for righteousness. We all try to be moral, but we do it in different ways.

[Alkarin]

see that is where i do not agree, i believe not all humans search for being righteous, but for their own personal gain. i do believe none think they are evil in any sense, but may think of themselves as good

but i am not saying that you are not partly true, i do believe some (a good portion) of us do try to be morale

[Vladimir Lenin]

see that is where i do not agree, i believe not all humans search for being righteous, but for their own personal gain.

Perhaps that is yet another way to God? If God is all then God is a part of each of us, if that is the case then serving themselves is serving God.

I disagree with that interpretation but I think it's a logical one.