Just to change the atmosphere in this forum a bit... It's the old Athenian conundrum; a man, known to be a liar, says "I'm lying" Is he telling the truth, or is he lying?:hmmm:
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The liar
Just to change the atmosphere in this forum a bit... It's the old Athenian conundrum; a man, known to be a liar, says "I'm lying" Is he telling the truth, or is he lying?:hmmm:
The Duke of Dunwich and surrounding fiefdom
For any who are interested by my FF on occurrences in Rhun and beyond; I have begun a new project (not because the old one is finished, just opening more room for ideas) about one of the minor characters, Rankal. It is in the Third Age AAR index and here is the link http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=376994
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Re: The liar
You need not lie about everything to be known as a liar.
One thing is for certain: the more profoundly baffled you have been in your life, the more open your mind becomes to new ideas.
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Senator
Re: The liar
true, but if there was an individual who was proven to never tell the truth who came out with that statement, what would your conclusion be?
The Duke of Dunwich and surrounding fiefdom
For any who are interested by my FF on occurrences in Rhun and beyond; I have begun a new project (not because the old one is finished, just opening more room for ideas) about one of the minor characters, Rankal. It is in the Third Age AAR index and here is the link http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=376994
Comes Rei Militaris
Re: The liar
there's a first time for everything.
One thing is for certain: the more profoundly baffled you have been in your life, the more open your mind becomes to new ideas.
-Neil deGrasse Tyson
Let's think the unthinkable, let's do the undoable. Let us prepare to grapple with the ineffable itself, and see if we may not eff it after all.
Senator
Re: The liar
the classical philosophers of greece would have gone crazy for you, Gaidin, for that, you get rep point.
The Duke of Dunwich and surrounding fiefdom
For any who are interested by my FF on occurrences in Rhun and beyond; I have begun a new project (not because the old one is finished, just opening more room for ideas) about one of the minor characters, Rankal. It is in the Third Age AAR index and here is the link http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=376994
Vicarius Provinciae
Re: The liar
sirfiggin,
The first question must be, " so what are you lying about?" If I said only those words they could have two meanings, the first consequential to a subject matter, then only his word that he is lying, and the second, is he really horizontal? But then if he is not really horizontal but erect, then there is some truth in what he says. Does that make sense?
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Re: The liar
Well, if he thinks he's lying and he tells you he's lying, then he's not lying because he speaks the truth he knowsOriginally Posted by sirfiggin
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Senator
Re: The liar
just for arguement, all you know is that he says he is lying, nothing else, he wares a poker face, his heartbeat is steady, he doesn't give any other indication of what he means other than what he says, it has no previous context, it is a bare statement.
The Duke of Dunwich and surrounding fiefdom
For any who are interested by my FF on occurrences in Rhun and beyond; I have begun a new project (not because the old one is finished, just opening more room for ideas) about one of the minor characters, Rankal. It is in the Third Age AAR index and here is the link http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=376994
Vicarius
Re: The liar
He's lying that he's lying and therefore telling the truth?
August Strindberg: "There's a view, current at the moment even among quite sensible people, that women, that secondary form of humanity (second to men, the lords and shapers of human civilisation) should in some way become equal with men, or could so be; this is leading to a struggle which is both bizarre and doomed. It's bizarre because a secondary form, by the laws of science, is always going to be a secondary form. Imagine two people, A (a man) and B (a woman). They start to run a race from the same point, C. A (the man) has a speed of, let's say, 100; B (the woman) has a speed of 60. Now, the question is 'Can B ever overtake A?" and the answer is 'Never!'. Whatever training, encouragement or self-denial is applied, the proposition is as impossible as that two parallel lines should ever meet."
Dux Limitis
Re: The liar
If he's a known liar I wouldn't listen to anything he said, so it's irrelevant what words come out of his mouth. So the question itself becomes irrelevant at that point.
The tale of the boy who cried "wolf", comes to mind.
Praeses
Re: The liar
This sentence is false
"If you can't get rid of the skeleton in your closet, you'd best teach it to dance." - George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950)
Campidoctor
Re: The liar
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Re: The liar
False and probably male since it lacks a period.
Tiro
Re: The liar
. Classic. I almost forgot to mention it.
Vicarius Provinciae
Re: The liar
I will think he is crazy.
"When one person suffers from a delusion it is called insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion it is called religion." -- Robert Pirsig
"Feminists are silent when the bills arrive." -- Aetius
"Women have made a pact with the devil in return for the promise of exquisite beauty, their window to this world of lavish male attention is woefully brief." -- Some Guy
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Re: The liar
Actually it is not how it goes...
All Cretans are liars. I am Cretan.
Biarchus
Re: The liar
He's lying, but perhaps he is lying with his lie, thus still making him a liar?
Tiro
Re: The liar
Reminds me of the clock that struck thirteen...
But I would guess that he is a Cretan.
And a liar...
Praeses
Re: The liar
he is a unreliable liar
Primicerius
Re: The liar
If all he says is 'I'm lying' then that's basically meaningless. You're going to have to give a context.
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