kamikaze uruks?

[Oddball_E8]

dont know if this has been discussed or not, but if youre gonna include that lovely powder that was used to blow up the walls of the hornburg i had a little idea of how it could be done...

just make an uruk unit of as few men as possible (dont know what the minimum is, but i guess its about 20) and have them chuck what looks like a torch but its really a sort of naffutah bomb that explodes with a massive ammount of force, enough to bring down a wall section...
however, the range would be an absolute minimum (and hopefully blowing up the unit itelf if thrown) wich would kinda simulate the situation from the movie...

however, if there is to be no such unit, then at least i have taken up some of your precious time for no reason whatsoever

[Swagger]

i bet this will be closed soon

[EddieTheTrooper]

i think there should be bombs and these "kamikaze uruks" should be the guys to lit them. not that the torch would have enough powder to blow something that big

[Mithrandir]

We will try to implement Isengard mines as accurately as possible.
It could surely be done by making a cannon model that looks like and mine, make it ridiculously powerful, and give it range 1.
I think the biggest problem is that the unit has to die upon "firing".

[BlackViper]

Yeah but I hope it is only for siege because otherwise I can just trap those damm AI guys and blow the hell out of them.
Wait I read my own message and Lets just blow the hell out of them. I would love to see 2000 elves flying away with a single blow

Greetz, BlackViper.

[Varjon]

I bet Glorfindel would love to see that too. Inside jokes...

[Mithrandir]

Naturally, they'd only be able to attack walls.

(Hehe, inside jokes ftw!)

[BlackViper]

Wtf gunpowder that is natural designed to only attack walls won't it explode when it isnt near any bricks or something.
That just question popped into my head.
And what is the inside joke about it? Got some discusion about this or something?

Greetz, BlackViper.

[Mithrandir]

Wtf gunpowder that is natural designed to only attack walls won't it explode when it isnt near any bricks or something.
That just question popped into my head.

I don't quite understand what you mean, do you mind rephrasing it?

[BlackViper]

Naturally, they'd only be able to attack walls.

(Hehe, inside jokes ftw!)

Okey I'm not english but I will try to explain.
Yiu say here that they are natural made for attacking walls and no others things. Does this mean that you cant use them in fields because their is no giant wall there? I think gunpowder can explode anywhere.
And somebody said they cant be used in the fields because they would be cut down. WOnt they when there are like 1000 archers on the wall?
What is the differnce between the wall and the field.

Greetz, BlackViper.

[Varjon]

As I stated, inside joke.

[Swagger]

mithrandil- i really doubt it's possible..

[Mithrandir]

What makes you think it is? Monster Bombards are already ridiculously powerful, so even if we couldn't make mines even more powerful, it would be enough. Also, missile units vary in range, so why wouldn't it be possible to decrease it to a very low value?
Finally, we know that it's possible to alter the appearance of siege weapons.

Edit: Oh, silly me... of course you mean the suicide part... Well, siege can have exploding shots, and they do damage nearby friendly units. So, would it be possible to maybe increase the splash radius, and thereby damage itself?

[Swagger]

you got a point there indeed..


and how to make the kamikaze uruk run and blast the wall?

you can't just that he misses the ''shot'' and kills himself

[Mithrandir]

The guys who fire the cannons would be given uruk-hai models and would carry a torch (if possible). We'd probably have to tweak the animation, but I think it could work. Also, the shot would have ridiculous accuracy.

[Swagger]

The guys who fire the cannons would be given uruk-hai models and would carry a torch (if possible). We'd probably have to tweak the animation, but I think it could work. Also, the shot would have ridiculous accuracy.

and huge attack


in 2 towers, grima says to saruman that nothing can blast helms deep walls

a flaming uruk, blasted them...(altought in a weak spot)

[Kiam]

I think that part is impossible to make...but not sure.

Well that is one way to do it if it can be done.

[Oddball_E8]

well with my idea, there wouldnt be an actual bomb model sure, but the unit would have to move up all the way without dying (ie, like in the movie) and that makes it work really well imho...

since you can only use it effectively in sieges where you control the ground outside... on an open battlefield, they would be killed very quickly if they tried to charge the enemy and they wouldnt do much damage anyway since enemy units are usually not bunched up on the field (unless in battle and that would cost you as much as the enemy) and since its a one-use weapon they would be far to valuable to use that way...

in other words, my sollution would focus more on the fuse-lighters than the bomb itself... without anyone to light the fuse, the bomb is useless... so no need for an actual bomb...

[Mithrandir]

Well, it'd look pretty silly without an actual bomb. With my suggestion, we can have both (even if the lighter won't look superb, it'll do and the animation would fit).

[Oddball_E8]

Well, it'd look pretty silly without an actual bomb. With my suggestion, we can have both (even if the lighter won't look superb, it'll do and the animation would fit).

well... with a bomb they would move incredibly slowly... there wouldnt be any kind of challenge to kill them before they reach the wall... but the torchbearer idea means they can move fairly quickly there, but since they have no armor whatsoever (or shield) they could be easily cut down by arrows before they reach the walls... it would still be a gamble, but at least there would be a chance... imagine trying to roll a cannon all the way to a wall in a siege? wouldnt happen...

iim assuming youre gonna make the "bomb" as a cannon but with another model and a very short range?

IMHO that would look completely wrong... sure they did walk up with the bomb in the movie, but the dramatic part (and the part that actually mattered) was the torch bearer... i mean sure, any uruk could pick up the bomb and place it should the original bomb carriers die, but they would be hard pressed to find another torchbearer since he was worked up to a suicidal frenzy before that...