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    A Liberal Supermajority
    Get ready for 'change' we haven't seen since 1965, or 1933.

    If the current polls hold, Barack Obama will win the White House on November 4 and Democrats will consolidate their Congressional majorities, probably with a filibuster-proof Senate or very close to it. Without the ability to filibuster, the Senate would become like the House, able to pass whatever the majority wants.

    APThough we doubt most Americans realize it, this would be one of the most profound political and ideological shifts in U.S. history. Liberals would dominate the entire government in a way they haven't since 1965, or 1933. In other words, the election would mark the restoration of the activist government that fell out of public favor in the 1970s. If the U.S. really is entering a period of unchecked left-wing ascendancy, Americans at least ought to understand what they will be getting, especially with the media cheering it all on.



    The above table shows the major bills that passed the House this year or last before being stopped by the Senate minority. Keep in mind that the most important power of the filibuster is to shape legislation, not merely to block it. The threat of 41 committed Senators can cause the House to modify its desires even before legislation comes to a vote. Without that restraining power, all of the following have very good chances of becoming law in 2009 or 2010.

    - Medicare for all. When HillaryCare cratered in 1994, the Democrats concluded they had overreached, so they carved up the old agenda into smaller incremental steps, such as Schip for children. A strongly Democratic Congress is now likely to lay the final flagstones on the path to government-run health insurance from cradle to grave.

    Mr. Obama wants to build a public insurance program, modeled after Medicare and open to everyone of any income. According to the Lewin Group, the gold standard of health policy analysis, the Obama plan would shift between 32 million and 52 million from private coverage to the huge new entitlement. Like Medicare or the Canadian system, this would never be repealed.

    The commitments would start slow, so as not to cause immediate alarm. But as U.S. health-care spending flowed into the default government options, taxes would have to rise or services would be rationed, or both. Single payer is the inevitable next step, as Mr. Obama has already said is his ultimate ideal.
    Editorial-page writer Joe Rago explains just how bad it could get in 2009. (Oct. 21)

    - The business climate. "We have some harsh decisions to make," Speaker Nancy Pelosi warned recently, speaking about retribution for the financial panic. Look for a replay of the Pecora hearings of the 1930s, with Henry Waxman, John Conyers and Ed Markey sponsoring ritual hangings to further their agenda to control more of the private economy. The financial industry will get an overhaul in any case, but telecom, biotech and drug makers, among many others, can expect to be investigated and face new, more onerous rules. See the "Issues and Legislation" tab on Mr. Waxman's Web site for a not-so-brief target list.

    The danger is that Democrats could cause the economic downturn to last longer than it otherwise will by enacting regulatory overkill like Sarbanes-Oxley. Something more punitive is likely as well, for instance a windfall profits tax on oil, and maybe other industries.

    - Union supremacy. One program certain to be given right of way is "card check." Unions have been in decline for decades, now claiming only 7.4% of the private-sector work force, so Big Labor wants to trash the secret-ballot elections that have been in place since the 1930s. The "Employee Free Choice Act" would convert workplaces into union shops merely by gathering signatures from a majority of employees, which means organizers could strongarm those who opposed such a petition.

    The bill also imposes a compulsory arbitration regime that results in an automatic two-year union "contract" after 130 days of failed negotiation. The point is to force businesses to recognize a union whether the workers support it or not. This would be the biggest pro-union shift in the balance of labor-management power since the Wagner Act of 1935.

    - Taxes. Taxes will rise substantially, the only question being how high. Mr. Obama would raise the top income, dividend and capital-gains rates for "the rich," substantially increasing the cost of new investment in the U.S. More radically, he wants to lift or eliminate the cap on income subject to payroll taxes that fund Medicare and Social Security. This would convert what was meant to be a pension insurance program into an overt income redistribution program. It would also impose a probably unrepealable increase in marginal tax rates, and a permanent shift upward in the federal tax share of GDP.

    - The green revolution. A tax-and-regulation scheme in the name of climate change is a top left-wing priority. Cap and trade would hand Congress trillions of dollars in new spending from the auction of carbon credits, which it would use to pick winners and losers in the energy business and across the economy. Huge chunks of GDP and millions of jobs would be at the mercy of Congress and a vast new global-warming bureaucracy. Without the GOP votes to help stage a filibuster, Senators from carbon-intensive states would have less ability to temper coastal liberals who answer to the green elites.

    - Free speech and voting rights. A liberal supermajority would move quickly to impose procedural advantages that could cement Democratic rule for years to come. One early effort would be national, election-day voter registration. This is a long-time goal of Acorn and others on the "community organizer" left and would make it far easier to stack the voter rolls. The District of Columbia would also get votes in Congress -- Democratic, naturally.
    Felons may also get the right to vote nationwide, while the Fairness Doctrine is likely to be reimposed either by Congress or the Obama FCC. A major goal of the supermajority left would be to shut down talk radio and other voices of political opposition.

    - Special-interest potpourri. Look for the watering down of No Child Left Behind testing standards, as a favor to the National Education Association. The tort bar's ship would also come in, including limits on arbitration to settle disputes and watering down the 1995 law limiting strike suits. New causes of legal action would be sprinkled throughout most legislation. The anti-antiterror lobby would be rewarded with the end of Guantanamo and military commissions, which probably means trying terrorists in civilian courts. Google and MoveOn.org would get "net neutrality" rules, subjecting the Internet to intrusive regulation for the first time.

    It's always possible that events -- such as a recession -- would temper some of these ambitions. Republicans also feared the worst in 1993 when Democrats ran the entire government, but it didn't turn out that way. On the other hand, Bob Dole then had 43 GOP Senators to support a filibuster, and the entire Democratic Party has since moved sharply to the left. Mr. Obama's agenda is far more liberal than Bill Clinton's was in 1992, and the Southern Democrats who killed Al Gore's BTU tax and modified liberal ambitions are long gone.
    In both 1933 and 1965, liberal majorities imposed vast expansions of government that have never been repealed, and the current financial panic may give today's left another pretext to return to those heydays of welfare-state liberalism. Americans voting for "change" should know they may get far more than they ever imagined.
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    So what scares you the most? I think the "Employee Free Choice Act" scares me the most. That is something that is going to encourage violence. People are going to be beaten and murdered if they refuse to sign these cards. All hail Obama!
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    Not gonna happen. America's bankrupt and won't be able to pull through any of those in the future. I see something more along the lines of mass unemployment, government help programs, queuing in lines, and the sort.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Siblesz View Post
    Not gonna happen. America's bankrupt and won't be able to pull through any of those in the future. I see something more along the lines of mass unemployment, government help programs, queuing in lines, and the sort.
    I'd agree with this. If any changes can be made, they will be made temporarily. Naturally when hard economic times come, the people hate those in power. People will forget George bush, and focus on McCain or Obama. Anything they do will, in years, be held in utter disdain. Likely resulting in the exact ideological opposites gaining power, and dismantling these changes [and perhaps going further]. But obviously in the chaos of depression induced anarchy, nothing is for certain

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    It not so much about spending as it is about law changes that I doubt many people have really considered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big War Bird View Post
    It not so much about spending as it is about law changes that I doubt many people have really considered.
    I think it's fair to say that both libaral and conservative supermajorities would have law changes that the opposing citizenry wouldn't like and possibly haven't considered yet. Maybe the liberals don't like certain proposed liberal changes, but like what they think conservatives would do even less. Vice versa applies as well. This isn't exactly a new concept when the oppositions are as populated as they are and are split as evenly as they are in the electorate. It's also not a new concept that when statistics hint at one side getting a supermajority, its the other side that becomes the most vocal about negative things will happen.
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    The unions are incredibly corrupt as it is. Giving them more power will mean the end for many honest small businessmen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Brujo View Post
    The unions are incredibly corrupt as it is. Giving them more power will mean the end for many honest small businessmen.
    I doubt most small business people are affected too much by union issues.
    They typically don't have enough employees to make it worth the union's while.
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    Quote Originally Posted by El Brujo View Post
    The unions are incredibly corrupt as it is. Giving them more power will mean the end for many honest small businessmen.
    Oh, I know. Unions used to be honest, good, and right; they use to stand up for the working man and fight for workers' right.
    But now they're become like any group wanting input from a system: selfish, greedy, and corrupt. They no longer fight for the workers.

    At Kroger, the big grocery chain in these parts, they make you join a union when they hire you; and they shave a chunk of your meagre salary as union due. The unions don't care about the fact that Kroger employees are paid very low wages of $6.35 an hour, or have unsafe working conditions; as long as they get their money, they don't care about the working man.

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    Are unions in the USA really that bad? Because what i read about unions in the USA makes them sound more like large scale organized extortion than actual unions.

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    What scares me the most...honestly...how about all of the above...

    The only thing the article left out would be a very liberal Court system both (Supreme) and Federal Courts... and unlike the president and legislative bodies these guys cant be voted out.... (If we have an Obama Presidency (and a Democratic controlled Congress... that means his appointments will be accepted without any trouble)... we will be stuck with thes judges for possibly two generations.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oglethorpe1983 View Post
    we will be stuck with thes judges for possibly two generations.....
    You mean like Roberts and Alito?

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    Gee, more fear-mongering from the right, who'd tha thunk?

    The Republicans held all three branches for 6 years.. How'd that work out?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZaPPPa View Post
    Gee, more fear-mongering from the right, who'd tha thunk?
    Way to contribute! Would you care to engage in the ideas being discussed?

    I don't see anything wrong with - Free speech and voting rights, or more nationalized health care, for that matter.
    Did you miss the part about restricting free speech? And as far wanting nationalized healthcare, I guess some people want to be leeches. Not me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big War Bird View Post
    Did you miss the part about restricting free speech? And as far wanting nationalized healthcare, I guess some people want to be leeches. Not me.
    I'm sorry for wanting an alternate to insurance companies calling my problems a previous condition and not covering them should something go wrong in my life.

    I know it's just damn evil of me to want a safety net that is actually safe and actually a net. You'll live.
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    A nation that cannot provide for the good and care of its citizens will cease to exist.
    Maybe in this day in age. America was at its strongest at a time when the government couldn't even defend civilians from Indian raids, much less pay their medical bills.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big War Bird View Post
    Way to contribute! Would you care to engage in the ideas being discussed?
    You mean unfounded rumors and scare tactics designed to scare the uneducated in voting for the same group that has basically turned this country into a police state in the last eight years? No, thank you.

    Did you miss the part about restricting free speech? And as far wanting nationalized healthcare, I guess some people want to be leeches. Not me.
    Cough *wiretapping* cough

    Keep it coming though. I love the smell of desperation in the morning

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big War Bird View Post
    Way to contribute! Would you care to engage in the ideas being discussed?



    Did you miss the part about restricting free speech? And as far wanting nationalized healthcare, I guess some people want to be leeches. Not me.
    Leeches? You pay for it yourself, it's just distributed. Unless you don't pay taxes or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZaPPPa View Post
    Gee, more fear-mongering from the right, who'd tha thunk?

    The Republicans held all three branches for 6 years.. How'd that work out?
    exactly, yet the democrat supporters magically think the democrats are any different.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZaPPPa View Post
    Gee, more fear-mongering from the right, who'd tha thunk?

    The Republicans held all three branches for 6 years.. How'd that work out?
    Not well which I think is kinda of the point. While Im not worried about democrats taking over everything because they are "evil liberals" Im worried because we've seen the results of when one party controls the major branches of government. US works best when its divided as far as government goes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZaPPPa View Post
    Gee, more fear-mongering from the right, who'd tha thunk?

    The Republicans held all three branches for 6 years.. How'd that work out?
    Exactly the Problem. Any super majority is bad. I generally like a slight democratic majority congress and a Republican president.
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