conspiracy theories about 9/11

[Tajir]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...st/1559151.stm

I saved that link when I was 11 years old. Seven years have passed since that day, sheesh!

I still can't believe there are 10% of us who still believe in the official 9/11 hoax.

[The Dude]

I stopped believeing in the official 9/11 story long ago. The best documentary I've ever seen on 9/11 was one called "False Flag" which presented the most well constructed argument against the official Bush story I've ever seen.

The link is here:
http://www.videocommunity.com/pc/pc/...0/display/7167

It's a 73 minute sit, a long haul, and the background music gives it a rather conspiracy-theoristish vibe, but it says a good amount of really useful things. In the following order it tackles:
- Identity of the hijackers and proof that they were in fact the hijackers.
- Unrealistic incompetence displayed by US air defense on the only day where the nation actually faced a threat on its own soil.
- The absurdity of the WT7 collapse
- People who stand to gain something from a terrorist attack on national soil
- Financial/economic importance of the countries that have been pointed out as harboring terrorists and have been invaded since 9/11.

[Tajir]

Thanks, I'll watch it.

And if you watch the film "Loose Change" from 1:45:45 to 1:47:07, a BBC host will speak about the fallen WTC 7 alongside a New York reporter...but, when he turns to the reporter, Tower 7 can clearly be seen in the background. After 20 seconds of speaking to her, he cuts her off and says he "lost the connection."

Jeeeeez.

[The Dude]

Yeah False Flag has a really good bit on WT7 aswell. What I find odd is that nobody has really even commented on that in the news.

[The King Of Peasants]

I was reading this as you saying it was dumb to believe in all the conspiracies, but it looks like I have been disappointed. Is that figure 10 percent believe that it was an actual terrorist attack by the way? That really is the worst thing about the internet: the conspiracies people really can't accept the truth anymore.

[The Dude]

I was reading this as you saying it was dumb to believe in all the conspiracies, but it looks like I have been disappointed. Is that figure 10 percent believe that it was an actual terrorist attack by the way? That really is the worst thing about the internet: the conspiracies people really can't accept the truth anymore.

Well my personal stance on conspiracies is that it's always likely that there are some going on, at some level. So it's not really worth getting all upset about.

The 9/11 one strikes me as particularly noteworthy however because I do think the official story is a big load of bull and I haven't bought it from day one. Normally, I'm not big on falling for conspiracie theories at all. Most are just wild and random nonsense, but the documentary I linked above has provided better arguments for their theory than Bush ever did for his.

I read a useful quote a few days ago. Everybody believes that conspiring politicians exist at some level. Everybody believes that some of the things we read in history books might not have been the truth and might have been altered by people who stood to gain something from it. So everyone believes that conspiracies are real, and that they do happen.

We just refuse to believe they happen in our time? An almost childlike way of reasoning really. "I'll just stick my head in the sand and pretend everything's ok."

Bad things do happen in governments. Lousy deals -are- struck, and some politicians -do- go to any lengths to fulfill their personal goals. In fact I believe that thinking this is not so is even more harmful than thinking that it is.

[craziii]

I stopped believeing in the official 9/11 story long ago. The best documentary I've ever seen on 9/11 was one called "False Flag" which presented the most well constructed argument against the official Bush story I've ever seen.

The link is here:
http://www.videocommunity.com/pc/pc/...0/display/7167

It's a 73 minute sit, a long haul, and the background music gives it a rather conspiracy-theoristish vibe, but it says a good amount of really useful things. In the following order it tackles:
- Identity of the hijackers and proof that they were in fact the hijackers.
- Unrealistic incompetence displayed by US air defense on the only day where the nation actually faced a threat on its own soil.
- The absurdity of the WT7 collapse
- People who stand to gain something from a terrorist attack on national soil
- Financial/economic importance of the countries that have been pointed out as harboring terrorists and have been invaded since 9/11.

forget about all the theories in the film, but the actual, real life video cuts in the film, they were eye opening. especially the ones on the world trade center 7 building and the 9/11 investigation press conferences. if the deal mentioned on 39:15 of the video is true, it is no wonder people question everything the bush administration says about 9/11. bush basically asked for it. maybe the theories are true, but without more concrete/actual evidence, they are just theories, no matter how good it is.

too bad these guys were not hire to do the independent 9/11 investigation!!!

[Marie Louise von Preussen]

Oh please, there are people who believe 9/11 was some sort of Government conspiracy? Here are some links to enlighten you.

http://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/pseudosc/911nutphysics.htm
http://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/pseudosc/911NutPhysics0.HTM

Now this is the most ridiculous con theory since the "fake Moon landings" hype.

[Panzerbear]

I stopped believeing in the official 9/11 story long ago. The best documentary I've ever seen on 9/11 was one called "False Flag" which presented the most well constructed argument against the official Bush story I've ever seen.

The link is here:
http://www.videocommunity.com/pc/pc/...0/display/7167

btw, thanks for posting this link. the documentary is phenomenal. it surely is refreshing to hear German experts view on the subject .

brings up a lot of issues I did not think about before... 10 out of 10! everyone should watch it!

[Kiljan Arslan]

Yes its unfotonate that they don't see that the great Khan was behind it.

[Serious Spamurai]

Yes its unfotonate that they don't see that the great Khan was behind it.

That mustachioed bastard!

[Panzerbear]

when it comes to 9/11, I am equally sceptical both to consipracy theorists and the govt officials.

but from what I have seen from both sides, its quite obvious that 9/11 itself was a shady affair with plenty of awkward moments to the point that you should be crazy not to question the official version of the events.

all that being said, who cares? why does it matter now? we all are just simple people, we will never be able to get to the bottom of this, especially if the govt machine is against it... its like gathering proof that UFO exists... so we might as well surreneder .

[Roman Rapper]

Something tells me that the next major terrorist attack in the U.S will be in Miami.

And yes it will be staged, just like 9/11 was staged.

[Panzerbear]

Something tells me that the next major terrorist attack in the U.S will be in Miami.

And yes it will be staged, just like 9/11 was staged.

and who would launch such an attack, disgruntled Cubans ?

[Rapax]

What is that something and why Miami? I gotta warn my friends!

[Lysander13]

What is that something and why Miami? I gotta warn my friends!

Could be all the foreign visitors finally saying....Enough!! I will not stand for being raped any longer by the South Beach Bars at 10 Dollars a pop for watered down drinks. That are suppose to pass for adult beverages

[Kiljan Arslan]

Something tells me that the next major terrorist attack in the U.S will be in Miami.

And yes it will be staged, just like 9/11 was staged.

OF course by the Great Khan!

[Tajir]

Kiljan, you're really getting annoying. I had no idea Fox had a receipt with your name on it.


*drum roll*


I present, Usama Bin Laden's FBI wanted poster!! Updated November 2001 yet no accusation of 9/11 on the poster. They're still "looking" for ways to connect him to it.

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/fugitives/laden.htm


Bin Laden is currently ruled out, so who else could've done it? :hmmm:

[Kiljan Arslan]

Kiljan, you're really getting annoying. I had no idea Fox had a receipt with your name on it.


*drum roll*


I present, Usama Bin Laden's FBI wanted poster!! Updated November 2001 yet no accusation of 9/11 on the poster. They're still "looking" for ways to connect him to it.

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/fugitives/laden.htm


Bin Laden is currently ruled out, so who else could've done it? :hmmm:

Well thats obvious because they know it was the great Khan.

[bigfootedfred]

Preview for a BBC program due to air this sunday.

Will post the whole thing after its aired, when i can.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7675884.stm

The last one they did, showed pictures of massive fires at the rear of the building ( i.e. not the part most have looked at)
and clear signs of direct massive hits and structrual damage at the rear of the building.
and in conclusion, they said it was most likely fires did in fact cause the collapse.

This new one, brings more to the story. and should be and interesting watch.

Well thats obvious because they know it was the great Khan.

and its obvious a joke just dosent get funny until its been said 3 million + times...

Jeez...

I would class those who actaully think it was planned by the bush admin, as vocal minorty, who foolishly believe profiteers.
That does not mean however there are not serious questions.

The goverment didn't handle the thing well and these guys slipped through the net, as it were, but its not like they wanted it to happen! They could make up any old excuse to go to war that wouldn't involve killing a few thousand Americans. The worst case scenario was that it just came up and they decided to just let it happen, and even that for me is pretty doubtful.

It would seem we are much of the same opinion. though i consider the latter to be more likely.
And far from, 'it just came up' there were months and months worth of advance in warnings.
I think they knew, they thought it would be 'useful' to their agenda's. and they let it happen.