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    San Francisco weighs decriminalizing prostitution

    By EVELYN NIEVES, Associated Press Writer – Tue Oct 21, 5:48 pm ET

    SAN FRANCISCO – In this live-and-let-live town, where medical marijuana clubs do business next to grocery stores and an annual fair celebrates sadomasochism, prostitutes could soon walk the streets without fear of arrest.

    San Francisco would become the first major U.S. city to decriminalize prostitution if voters next month approve Proposition K — a measure that forbids local authorities from investigating, arresting or prosecuting anyone for selling sex.

    The ballot question technically would not legalize prostitution since state law still prohibits it, but the measure would eliminate the power of local law enforcement officials to go after prostitutes.

    Proponents say the measure will free up $11 million the police spend each year arresting prostitutes and allow them to form collectives.

    "It will allow workers to organize for our rights and for our safety," said Patricia West, 22, who said she has been selling sex for about a year by placing ads on the Internet. She moved to San Francisco in May from Texas to work on Proposition K.

    Even in tolerant San Francisco — where the sadomasochism fair draws thousands of tourists and a pornographic video company is housed in a former armory — the measure faces an uphill battle, with much of the political establishment opposing it.

    Some form of prostitution is already legal in two states. Brothels are allowed in rural counties in Nevada. And Rhode Island permits the sale of sex behind closed doors between consulting adults, but it prohibits street prostitution and brothels.

    In 2004, almost two-thirds of voters in nearby Berkeley rejected decriminalization. But proponents of Proposition K say their proposal has a better shot in San Francisco, which they believe is more sexually liberal than the city across the bay.

    After all, the world's oldest profession has long been established here. During the Gold Rush, the neighborhood closest to the piers was a seedy pleasure center of sex, gambling and drinking known as the Barbary Coast.

    These days, on certain corners, prostitutes sell their bodies day and night, ducking into doorways and alleys when police pass by. One recent afternoon in the Mission District, six prostitutes were plying their trade on a single block.

    Police made 1,583 prostitution arrests in 2007 and expect to make a similar number this year. But the district attorney's office says most defendants are fined, placed in diversion programs or both. Fewer than 5 percent get prosecuted for solicitation, which is a misdemeanor punishable by up to six months in jail.

    Proposition K has been endorsed by the local Democratic Party. But the mayor, district attorney, police department and much of the business community oppose the idea, contending it would increase street prostitution, allow pimps the run of neighborhoods and hamper the fight against sex trafficking, which would remain illegal because it involves forcing people into the sex trade.

    The San Francisco Chronicle editorialized against the measure, saying it could make the city a magnet for prostitution.

    If the proposal passes, "we wouldn't be able to investigate prostitution, and it's going to be pretty difficult for us to locate these folks who are victims of trafficking otherwise," said Capt. Al Pardini, head of the police department's vice unit. "It's pretty rare that we get a call that says: 'I'm a victim of human trafficking' or 'I suspect human trafficking in my neighborhood.'"

    The proposition would also prohibit police from accepting federal or state funds for sex trafficking investigations that involve racial profiling. Such investigations often arise from raids on brothels that advertise as Asian massage parlors.

    "We feel that repressive policies don't help trafficking victims, and that human rights-based approaches, including decriminalization, are actually more effective," said Carol Leigh, co-founder of the Bay Area Sex Workers Advocacy Network and a longtime advocate for prostitutes' rights.

    But San Francisco District Attorney Kamala Harris said the ballot question mistakenly assumes prostitution is a victimless crime.

    "The crime of prostitution does not exist by itself," Harris said. "Along with it come pimps, johns and other crimes that really impact the safety of neighborhoods."

    If the measure passes, supporters say, prostitutes would not feel the need for pimps as protection. But opponents insist it would embolden pimps who trap drug addicts into prostitution by plying them with drugs.

    "The proponents usually paint a fairly rosy picture of two consenting adults and a monetary exchange at the end," Pardini said. "They don't factor in the people that are being exploited and people that are being controlled, the ones manipulated both physically and chemically."
    Well . . . if it would be done well, to help the fight against human trafficking then it would be a good thing. I find it a good idea to decriminalize prostitution so much time you help the police to fight against human traffick.

    But how it is sounding now . . . it is just taking care the police are not messing around with the pimps business's.
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    I find prostitution distatesful however if it wants to decriminalize it go right ahead. But then don't turn a blind eye on pimps those cockroaches don''t deserve a ing break.
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    about time. in a land where speech is free unconditionally the strive for booty should be unconditionally free as well

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    I've lived in SF before, and It's a good idea.

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    Good for them. I hope this effort doesn't die. I hope that it sets some kind of precedent.
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    Coming from the Netherlands I can only applaude this proposition. By decriminalizing prostitution you can focus your attention to mechanisms behind prostitution such as human trafficking and drugs. Hell, in the netherlands we've got a union for prostitutes and this works fairly well. I wouldn't say there are no problems with prostitution of human trafficking over here but because prostitutes are not being forced in a situation where they are criminals they are generally healthy and can safely do their jobs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Platomasso View Post
    Coming from the Netherlands I can only applaude this proposition. By decriminalizing prostitution you can focus your attention to mechanisms behind prostitution such as human trafficking and drugs. Hell, in the netherlands we've got a union for prostitutes and this works fairly well. I wouldn't say there are no problems with prostitution of human trafficking over here but because prostitutes are not being forced in a situation where they are criminals they are generally healthy and can safely do their jobs.
    Applaud but realize that someway, somehow San Fran will manage to screw it up in away that resembles nothing like how its done over there...just like they did with "medical marijuana". San Fran, capital of taking an idea, good or bad and then completely screw it up.

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    Vote No on Prostitution.
    vote Yes for free sex =D

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    Legalizing it leads to less pimps instead of more.
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    It's legal in Australia, but not street walkers. The girls have to work in a registered brothel that is subject to health checks and so on and so forth. Others have ads in the newspapers and visit private homes etc.

    Does San Francisco really want drug-addled prostitutes everywhere in public?

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    Quote Originally Posted by boofhead View Post
    Does San Francisco really want drug-addled prostitutes everywhere in public?
    Seems so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boofhead View Post
    It's legal in Australia, but not street walkers. The girls have to work in a registered brothel that is subject to health checks and so on and so forth. Others have ads in the newspapers and visit private homes etc.

    Does San Francisco really want drug-addled prostitutes everywhere in public?
    I'm from the U.S.A. and the only place it is "supposed" to be legal
    are in the counties outside of Las Vegas Nevada. In every major city
    the trade goes on in underground brothels via a residence (in cities)
    or as drug invested street walkers. Most women who work in brothels
    are from Asia or poor areas of Europe via the Isreali/Eastern Europe/
    Korean sex slave trade. All one has to do is buy "City Paper" (I'm
    from the suburbs of Philadelphia) and all the "illegal" brothels are
    listed advertised as health spas. The Irish American cops get their
    cut, the Russian/Korean mafia gets their cut and the girls keep the
    rest. Lately, more "native" American white/black girls are going into
    the business due to economic downturns or helping their children
    pay for college. I'm for legalization like Australia/Netherlands and
    get the organized crime/pimps out of the business and they can also
    pay taxes; also a more safe environment. The reason it is so called "illegal"
    is that there are too many people making money via kickbacks.
    My theory the marriage/divorce/child support/wealth transfer industry;
    from men, to the lawyers and the family courts are far more damaging
    to society than legalized prostitution if managed correctly.:hmmm:

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    Probably a result of the gas prices and it's now too expensive to drive the 2 hours to Tahoe and Nevada.

    Quote Originally Posted by RON JEREMY View Post
    I'm from the U.S.A. and the only place it is "supposed" to be legal
    are in the counties outside of Las Vegas Nevada. In every major city
    the trade goes on in underground brothels via a residence (in cities)
    or as drug invested street walkers. Most women who work in brothels
    are from Asia or poor areas of Europe via the Isreali/Eastern Europe/
    Korean sex slave trade. All one has to do is buy "City Paper" (I'm
    from the suburbs of Philadelphia) and all the "illegal" brothels are
    listed advertised as health spas. The Irish American cops get their
    cut, the Russian/Korean mafia gets their cut and the girls keep the
    rest. Lately, more "native" American white/black girls are going into
    the business due to economic downturns or helping their children
    pay for college. I'm for legalization like Australia/Netherlands and
    get the organized crime/pimps out of the business and they can also
    pay taxes; also a more safe environment. The reason it is so called "illegal"
    is that there are too many people making money via kickbacks.
    My theory the marriage/divorce/child support/wealth transfer industry;
    from men, to the lawyers and the family courts are far more damaging
    to society than legalized prostitution if managed correctly.:hmmm:
    Actually, I think its ALL counties except Vegas and Reno.
    Last edited by Pontifex Maximus; October 22, 2008 at 06:30 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RON JEREMY View Post
    I'm for legalization like Australia/Netherlands and get the organized crime/pimps out of the business and they can also
    pay taxes; also a more safe environment.
    The reason it is so called "illegal"
    is that there are too many people making money via kickbacks.
    Agreed. Also politicians can pretend to crack down on it to look good.

    Quote Originally Posted by RON JEREMY View Post
    My theory the marriage/divorce/child support/wealth transfer industry;
    from men, to the lawyers and the family courts are far more damaging
    to society than legalized prostitution if managed correctly.:hmmm:
    WITHOUT A DOUBT! At least a professional lets you know up front how much its going to cost. A greedy ex-wife will bleed you dry.

    Quote Originally Posted by eddy_purpus View Post
    Vote No on Prostitution.
    vote Yes for free sex =D
    You always end up paying for it with time,money or sanity

    I think it should be available like Pizza:
    Delicious and delivered hot and fresh for cheap and nothing left to clean up.
    Last edited by Legionem Insanis; October 22, 2008 at 06:34 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boofhead View Post
    It's legal in Australia, but not street walkers. The girls have to work in a registered brothel that is subject to health checks and so on and so forth. Others have ads in the newspapers and visit private homes etc.

    Does San Francisco really want drug-addled prostitutes everywhere in public?

    There already are dude. Hell if you zoom in on polk/fulsom with google maps you'll probably be able to make out a couple.

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    this will boil down to the question if maria magdalena was a registered hooker or not

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlerich View Post
    this will boil down to the question if maria magdalena was a registered hooker or not


    Good point, ahlerich.

    Although I do think that requiring them to be in a healthy, clean brothel is a really good idea and reduces the spread of diseases.
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    Applaud but realize that someway, somehow San Fran will manage to screw it up in away that resembles nothing like how its done over there...just like they did with "medical marijuana". San Fran, capital of taking an idea, good or bad and then completely screw it up.
    What happened?

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    its about damn time. they should make San Francisco = Amsterdam anyway .

    Throw away all your newspapers!
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    Quote Originally Posted by .Czar View Post
    its about damn time. they should make San Francisco = Amsterdam anyway .
    Unfortunately, Amsterdam is ending legal prostitution.



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