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    I'm not gonna quote the whole thing, but here is the meat of the article:
    New polling and a trickle of stories from the battleground states suggest that Sen. Barack Obama's coalition includes one unlikely group: white voters with negative views of African-Americans.

    What you see is it’s perfectly possible to hold a negative view of at least one aspect of African-Americans and yet simultaneously prefer Obama,” said Charles Franklin, a political scientist at the University of Wisconsin-Madison. “Racial feelings are not as cut and dried — not as black and white — as people often say.”

    Franklin explored those contradictions in a large, national survey taken in mid-September, when the Illinois Democratic senator's rival, Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), led in many polls and the nation’s economic woes had not yet produced a deep crisis. The poll asked voters whether they agreed with the statement that “African-Americans often use race as an excuse to justify wrongdoing." About a fifth of white voters said they “strongly agreed.” Yet among those who agreed, 23 percent said they’d be supporting Obama.

    This result is reasonable if you believe that race is not as monolithic an effect as we might easily assume,” Franklin said, noting that 22 percent of those who "strongly disagreed" said they'd be supporting McCain.

    Anecdotes from across the battlegrounds suggest that there’s a significant minority of prejudiced white voters who will swallow hard and vote for the black man.


    “If you go to a white neighborhood in the suburbs and ask them, ‘How would you feel about a large black man kicking your door in,’ they would say, ‘That doesn’t sound good to me,’” said Democratic political consultant Paul Begala. “But if you say, 'Your house is on fire, and the firefighter happens to be black,' it’s a different situation.”

    “The house is on fire, and one guy seems like he’s calm and confident and in charge, and that’s the only option,” he said.

    Not all whites associate the generic African-American with Obama,” said Ron Walters, a longtime student of race and politics and aide to the senior Jesse Jackson’s presidential campaigns. “They give him credit for having half a Caucasian ancestry, and give him credit for his education, and give him credit for his obvious ability to take complex subjects and parse them.”

    The geography of racial conflict and tolerance has been a strong overlay of the electoral map. Obama has run better than past Democrats in prosperous states with little history of tension, such as Colorado and Iowa, and worse in working-class states in the Appalachian belt. His campaign has been structured around this dynamic and may actually have overestimated the number of white Democrats in the region unwilling to vote for him because of his race. Obama had ignored West Virginia, for instance, until a spate of positive polls prompted him to start advertising there this week.

    Obama has also ignored Southern states with a history of deep racial division, from Arkansas to Mississippi, in favor of those that have seen an influx of new voters from the north — Virginia, North Carolina and Florida.

    Until this fall, both campaigns viewed Michigan — a heavily Democratic state, but one with a history of tension between Detroit and its white suburbs — as Obama’s Achilles’ heel. In 2006, the state was deeply divided by a referendum to ban affirmative action. The measure was opposed by most African-American voters as an assault on hard-won gains, but it won broad support among whites and passed by a double-digit margin.

    But earlier this month, McCain gave up the state for lost as economic concerns appear to have trumped racial ones.

    “Obama’s personality — his speech, his look — he provides [white voters] with a non-threatening way to move forward on this issue, and that’s a very positive development,” said David Waymire, who led the unsuccessful opposition to the anti-affirmative action initiative. “He is not Kwame Kilpatrick,” he said, referring to the Detroit mayor who resigned last month after pleading guilty in a sex and misconduct scandal.

    For black observers of American politics in particular, Obama’s ability to win over voters who harbor negative views of African-Americans at large is a complex, but hopeful, sign.
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    Obama has a super heavy load on his shoulder ...


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    “African-Americans often use race as an excuse to justify wrongdoing." .
    What's racist with the statement above?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Azael33 View Post
    What's racist with the statement above?

    "Often".

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    Besides the fact it's complete bs?

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    People may often use their financial situation, their family situation, mental situation, but their race for committing a crime?

    "I robbed that store cause I'm black."

    Right

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    Quote Originally Posted by B. Ward View Post
    People may often use their financial situation, their family situation, mental situation, but their race for committing a crime?

    "I robbed that store cause I'm black."
    A more accurate statement would be "I robbed the lower class blind 'cause I'm a Republican".

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    Quote Originally Posted by B. Ward View Post
    People may often use their financial situation, their family situation, mental situation, but their race for committing a crime?

    "I robbed that store cause I'm black."

    Right
    The statement didn't say 'their race', but 'race' in generall. I see it possible for black man to robb a store because the owner is white.
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    Hmmm... funny development. Obama's as white as black gets, anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Siblesz View Post
    Hmmm... funny development. Obama's as white as black gets, anyway.
    What exactly does that mean. Is it because he's well educated and doesn't carry on like a complete moron? I'm just asking why people say things of that nature. Like "stop talking white" or "stop acting black".

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    Quote Originally Posted by B. Ward View Post
    What exactly does that mean. Is it because he's well educated and doesn't carry on like a complete moron? I'm just asking why people say things of that nature. Like "stop talking white" or "stop acting black".
    I'm not saying it's bad. Just saying that it doesn't take a genius to understand that Obama is white on the inside, or an oreo, as they say in America. He was raised in a white family, went to white schools, taught in white universities. He's a part of white American culture, very much different from African-American culture in one too many aspects. If you want to be politically correct about it, then of course Obama is black. But culturally, he is white.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Siblesz View Post
    I'm not saying it's bad. Just saying that it doesn't take a genius to understand that Obama is white on the inside, or an oreo, as they say in America. He was raised in a white family, went to white schools, taught in white universities. He's a part of white American culture, very much different from African-American culture in one too many aspects. If you want to be politically correct about it, then of course Obama is black. But culturally, he is white.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Siblesz View Post
    I'm not saying it's bad. Just saying that it doesn't take a genius to understand that Obama is white on the inside, or an oreo, as they say in America. He was raised in a white family, went to white schools, taught in white universities. He's a part of white American culture, very much different from African-American culture in one too many aspects. If you want to be politically correct about it, then of course Obama is black. But culturally, he is white.
    You really think Obama can be pigeon holed like that? With any accuracy?

    I don't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Siblesz View Post
    Hmmm... funny development. Obama's as white as black gets, anyway.
    That's not really a distinction racists make.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Siblesz View Post
    Hmmm... funny development. Obama's as white as black gets, anyway.
    LOL, seriously. I don't even really see him as black, just another socialist politician.


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    I understand that he was raised by a white family and went to 'white' schools and universities. It's just, I don't understand why people say 'that's the whitest black guy I know' simply because he was raised in the that environment. He simply can't just be him without any attachments to his 'blackness' Of course such labels are just ridiculous to me in any regard. I'm not getting at you or anything Siblesz, it's just I find those type statements offensive to people as a whole. I may be that way since I come from an extremely diverse family and I have probably a better tolerance of differences among people. And to Highi, yes there are HBCU's (Historical Black Colleges and Universities) in America, mainly in the south and east coast.

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    They should investigate instead whether racist blacks will vote for McCain just to make another sound for a change. I think many of the poor trashy blacks are just as racist as their white counterparts. Ofcourse white people from up town don't have problems with minorities, because they never even meet them. Blacks are generally poorer and therefore relatively more inclined to hate people that are different, ie. racist.

    And what's with the large black guy stereotype? They're shorter on average than white american males...
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    I think, many people misunderstand this article. Maybe the article itself is not accurate about "racists".

    There is a sharp distinction between a real racist and someone who was labeled as a racist.

    If you ask me, a real racist is someone, who -regardless of education, or being from a mixed family , or regardless of anything, won't like certain ethnic groups and races, because they look different. They are also very low IQ people, perhaps grown up in isolation, thought in that matter etc.. that formed their prejudice opinion. Now, these people can be any race, let it be black, white, Asian, whatever. They simply don't like another group of people, because what they are, no matter what.


    Anyone else who falls outside of this group, is that grey-area, that has actually a giant pool of people (of all races) who will be labeled as a "racist" by the "politically correct" system- because they criticize a certain group of ethnicity for whatever reason, but the primary reason isn't their skin color or looks, but behavior and lifestyle. Of course, they could be wrong too, could be the society or propaganda making them have this opinion, but they are hardly "racists".

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