Peter and the 12 Disciples in Islam

[Osceola]

I've always heard that Jesus (Issa) is the most quoted prophet in the Qu'ran, but I've never heard about Islamic feelings towards and attitudes about Peter and the other disciples?

Considering Peter is considered the first Pope in Catholicism (or something) would Islam be more hostile towards him and his homies?

[jankren]

Peter and his holmes were not prophets.

[Osceola]

Peter and his holmes were not prophets.

I never said they were.

Notice I called them "Disciples."

[MehemtAli_Pasha]

they were men of little faith, both in the Bible and the Quran.

[karahan]

In the most helpless time in jesus's life (garden of gethseme) "they forsook him and fled"(disciples), so there isnt mush to think about them really, and their is so much different accounts of their lifes after the crucifiction, that in a way the disciples become unimportant

[Heinz Guderian]

I've always heard that Jesus (Issa) is the most quoted prophet in the Qu'ran, but I've never heard about Islamic feelings towards and attitudes about Peter and the other disciples?

Considering Peter is considered the first Pope in Catholicism (or something) would Islam be more hostile towards him and his homies?

One his homies was a rat. I forget which one, i think it was the mexican one. aint for sure.

I dont think there is any mention in the Koran about the disciplines, anything explicit i mean, especially Peter. Not named anyay.

[Primvs Sextvs Loverlord]

By the way, Moses (as) is the most mentioned Prophet in the Quran.

[motiv-8]

I've always heard that Jesus (Issa) is the most quoted prophet in the Qu'ran, but I've never heard about Islamic feelings towards and attitudes about Peter and the other disciples?

Jesus is not the most quoted prophet in the Qu'ran, Moses is.

EDIT: Ah, Sextus got it first

[IronBlood]

This might help too

The Qur'an states that Jesus was aided by a group of disciples (hawāriyūn) who believed in Jesus' message, and termed themselves the ansār ("helpers") of God.

"When Jesus found unbelief on their (the disciples) part he said: 'Who will be my helpers to (the work of) God?" Said the disciples: "We are God's helpers: We believe in God, and do thou bear witness that we are Muslims.'" (Qur'an 3:52).

something is not right there :hmmm:

[Primvs Sextvs Loverlord]

something is not right there :hmmm:

The Quran refers even to Abraham (as) and his followers as Muslims. "Muslim" literally means "one who submits himself to God". The word "Muslim" comes from "Islam," which means "submission to God". Similarly, "Jihad" means to strive for God and the one that strives for God is called a "Mujahid". Arabic grammar.

[jankren]

The Quran refers even to Abraham (as) and his followers as Muslims. "Muslim" literally means "one who submits himself to God". The word "Muslim" comes from "Islam," which means "submission to God". Similarly, "Jihad" means to strive for God and the one that strives for God is called a "Mujahid". Arabic grammar.

Ironically, in any Quran translation the word 'Muslim' is never translated. How manipulative those translators are ...

[IronBlood]

The Quran refers even to Abraham (as) and his followers as Muslims. "Muslim" literally means "one who submits himself to God". The word "Muslim" comes from "Islam," which means "submission to God". Similarly, "Jihad" means to strive for God and the one that strives for God is called a "Mujahid". Arabic grammar.

Thanks for clearing that up! So instead of actually saying the word "Muslim", it is meant to be interpreted that they (disciples and others) actually said "one who has submitted to the will of God"?

[Primvs Sextvs Loverlord]

Thanks for clearing that up! So instead of actually saying the word "Muslim", it is meant to be interpreted that they (disciples and others) actually said "one who has submitted to the will of God"?

Yeah but it has become a very proper noun now, hasn't it?

Yes. So by Islamic standards, it would seem Christians and Jews are "muslim" as well?

The "kaffir" is usually meant to denote atheist or polytheist right?

Where does Theist/Agnostic fall in?

Jews/Christians: "People of the Book". However, there's an issue about the Trinity lol.

Other monotheists: Again, not much wrong with them unless they're immoral, etc.

Polytheists/Pantheists: Now there's an issue with them because according to Islam, associating partners with God is the biggest crime you can commit. Even murder comes second to it.


Indeed, those who have believed [in this Prophet] and those who became Jews and Christians and the Sabians who [truly] believe in God and the Day of Judgment and do good deeds, they shall have their reward with their Lord and they shall neither have fear [for the future] nor any remorse [for the past]. (2:62)

What this verse essentially means is that the requirements for salvation are:

- To believe in One God
- To do good deeds
- To believe in the Day of Judgment

Having said that, the ultimate truth, according to Islam, is the Quran and in it is ordained the Prophethood of Mohammad (sw) and its rejection is, effectively, a sin.

[PointOfViewGun]

Judas Iscariot was the one believed to be betrayed to Jesus though a gospel of Judas was found and it stated that Jesus asked him to betray him to the Romans.

But yeah, I don't think 12 apostles had any place in Quran.

[Osceola]

Yes. So by Islamic standards, it would seem Christians and Jews are "muslim" as well?

The "kaffir" is usually meant to denote atheist or polytheist right?

Where does Theist/Agnostic fall in?

[The Cobra]

"waits for people to come claiming Islam is evil..."

[handsome pete]

it is possible to cause evil without being evil. but then that depends on what is or is not evil

do muslims, by which i mean people who are followers of muhammad rather than such people who tell me they have submitted to god (such as for example my friend who is hindu or her sister who is a sic, etc) or people i personally think have submitted to god (which would require a fairly high opinion of myself if not supernatural powers of some sort). do muslims believe that jesus was executed by a roman governor on a cross. and if so what is their interpretation of jesus and his crucifixation.

[The Cobra]

it is possible to cause evil without being evil. but then that depends on what is or is not evil

do muslims, by which i mean people who are followers of muhammad rather than people who tell me they have submitted to god (such as for example my friend who is hindu, her sister who is a sic, my house mates who are christian and various others) or people i personally think have submitted to god (which would require a higher opinion of myself than i presently have), do muslims believe that jesus was executed by a roman governor on the cross. and if so what is their interpretation of jesus and his crucifixation.

Muslims don't believe that Jesus was crucified by the Romans, what they believe however is that he was raised unto heaven, while the disciple who betrayed him (who is Judas i suppose) was given the appearance of Jesus and was crucified instead of him.

[motiv-8]

while the disciple who betrayed him (who is Judas i suppose) was given the appearance of Jesus and was crucified instead of him.

Now that is an interesting twist on the story that I haven't heard before. Is that in the Qur'an or were you taught that elsewhere?

[handsome pete]

so it was a kind of, elaborate deception of sorts