Nothing...

[MET]

I came up with this crazy idea ones. I was watching a documentary about the universe. And they said that before the big bang there was nothing.
so i started thinking: Well, if there is nothing, there is something. I mean, nothing IS something. otherwise there wouldn't have been a word for it. But if there is something there isn't nothing. And thus there can't be nothing.

It actually sounded pretty reasonable to me(you'll probably think i'm crazy now ). And i've always wanted to hear other peoples their opinion about it.

[Playfishpaste]

First off, the general consensus among scientists is that that documentary is wrong.

Second, don't imagine nothing as a thing. In fact, don't try to imagine nothing at all. Nothing only seems like something because you are picturing it. This is a false representation of nothing. Nothing is not a word, an idea, or anything. Try to picture that, see? You can't.

[Thanatos]

Nothing is only something as a concept.

[gambit]

Nothing is like cold and darkness. Its not actually a seperate being, just the absense of another (heat and light); given title so we dont say "Hey thats absense of light!" no it's just darkness.

[MET]

Nothing is like cold and darkness. Its not actually a seperate being, just the absense of another (heat and light); given title so we dont say "Hey thats absense of light!" no it's just darkness.

But if nothing would be cold and darkness it would be something. making the word nothing pretty much obsolete.
Actually I tought that nothing is the absence of time and space. If there is no time and space, there is nothing. So if there would be no time and space, everything thats left is nothing, making that something. (although there is nothing left)

[Whatacad]

So if there would be no time and space, everything thats left is nothing, making that something. (although there is nothing left)

But nothing is "left," as you conclude, so how does that make it "something?" Only in your mind is it something... a concept.

If you get nothing out of this, just remember that nothing is nothing, not nothing. See?

[gambit]

Just because it's given a title, it doesn't mean it exists.

And in the context you're thinking about it,(like Thanatos said) it's a conceptual something. It doesn't really exist still.

[WrathofTulkas]

What scientists say about our world before the big bang makes as much sense as god...

[James Cook]

Well atleast they are backing up the answers with facts.

Innstead of this fairytale BS that is the bible

[Thanatos]

Well atleast they are backing up the answers with facts.

Innstead of this fairytale BS that is the bible

Theories are not facts.

[WrathofTulkas]

Yep - they can only fail to reject their hypothesis... which is basically an educated guess A very educated guess too xD

[Ältester der Motten]

What scientists say about our world before the big bang makes as much sense as god...

I wasn't aware there were theories of our world before the big bang. I neither was aware there were any scientific theories about pre-big bang... space/time.

Well atleast they are backing up the answers with facts.

I wonder how you'll be able to objectively proof these are universal facts (which are the only facts that can be considered facts, obviously).

And besides, speculating anything could be proven fact (aside of the fact that something is what it is at the moment), it'd still be impossible to proof anything before the supposed big bang (it's simply out of reach of feasibility), so there go your facts.

[Justice and Mercy]

There wasn't nothing before the Big Bang.

Explosions don't come out of nothing. Nothing comes out of nothing.

If the universe had been nothing at any point it wouldn't exist.

[Jams79]

There wasn't nothing before the Big Bang.

Explosions don't come out of nothing. Nothing comes out of nothing.

If the universe had been nothing at any point it wouldn't exist.

Not necessarily true, nothing couldn't produce anything but something could appear (from somewhere else) in nothing to make anything.

[Justice and Mercy]

Not necessarily true, nothing couldn't produce anything but something could appear (from somewhere else) in nothing to make anything.

Not if there were, literally, nothing.

[Mathais]

There was heavan then came the creation.

[C-Rob]

i htink you thought your thoughts were deeper than they actually are. There's no epic question here. I don't care what scientist might hypothesize, somehting cannot come out of nothing. An apple can't just appear in my hand- it has to be placed there by someone who had it first and beyond that, the tree that it grew from has to exist(barring some whacko making an apple in a test tube wihtout the tree somehow)

[MET]

i htink you thought your thoughts were deeper than they actually are. There's no epic question here. I don't care what scientist might hypothesize, somehting cannot come out of nothing. An apple can't just appear in my hand- it has to be placed there by someone who had it first and beyond that, the tree that it grew from has to exist(barring some whacko making an apple in a test tube wihtout the tree somehow)

Of course something can't come out of nothing. That actually was the first thing I thought when hearing it. But it has nothing to do with nothing actually being something. And therefore not being nothing. Even though it is.

[The Dude]

There is absolutely nothing truthful any human being could say about what's beyond this universe or what was there before it.

That's the only nothing that can apply to this whole thing.

[Jams79]

Not true, we might have covered the true point, it just would be unprovable (so far )