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    The XIIth summit of the French-speaking world, which opens this Friday in Quebec, will debate the future of the French language for the first time. The language is spoken by around 200 million people throughout the world.

    Abdou Diouf, Secretary General of the International organization for the French-speaking world, hailed the move in an interview with the AFP: “It seemed obvious, but in a world which runs the risk of being overrun by one language, we need a policy to [promote] the French language.”

    Persons participating in the debate will work on ways to improve the teaching of the French language and encourage its use in international organizations. “We can’t teach French merely as a language,” says Diouf. A couple of projects are testing ways to teach “French in French.” “We want states to support and finance us,” added Diouf.

    These test-projects include the long-distance training of primary school teachers in Africa, “because this continent needs to recruit more than 2 million teachers before 2015,” says Diouf.

    A “French offensive”

    The French-speaking world needs to launch a “French offensive,” says Quebec daily Le Devoir, in reference to the words of Hervé Bourges, a former journalist and high-ranking official of French radio and television. In June, he published a report on the “renaissance of the French language.”

    According to his report, “the French-speaking world is struggling to renew its ideas and actions.” Bourges pointed to “a lack of visibility at a time when French is weakening relative to other languages.”

    The report’s author believes “the French are mostly responsible for this situation.” According to him, “France has become too withdrawn,” while the legacy of French colonialism has become a millstone around the French-speaking world’s neck.

    He also believes the French aren’t interested in the French-speaking world and don’t easily see “diversity as a positive thing.” The accusations are tough. And Bourges holds the “elites” responsible for much of what is wrong today.

    As if to drive the point home, French President Nicolas Sarkozy will leave the summit before the debate on Sunday to meet the US president. However, French PM Francçois Fillon will stay on.

    Financial crisis gatecrashes summit

    The financial crisis could also disturb the debate on the future of the French language. The summit, which gathers both G8 countries and developing countries, is starting to look like a North-South conference, the first since governments voiced their worries over the world’s economic woes.

    This is a great opportunity for Sarkozy to defend EU calls for G8 members and developing countries to discuss the financial crisis.

    According to a well-informed source quoted by the AFP, Sarkozy wants “the crisis to be at the heart of discussions, to get a head start on the topic. He might come forward with some proposal to reform the global financial system.”

    Diouf is also alarmed by the crisis. “France and French-speaking countries shouldn’t reduce the funds allocated to the development of the French language. We are worried about this possibility at a time of budgetary restrictions,” he said.
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    Hah! Nice to see them try and extend the life of their language but they can not delay the oncoming envelpment that is the English language that will assimilate all.

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    Il est bon de voir qu'un essai sera fait pour créer plus d'influence française - j'ai appris le français et j'aime la langue.

    English: It's good to see an attempt will be made to create more French influence--I learned French and I love the language.

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    Just a little heads-up . Lets keep the debate in English please chaps.

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    I find the French annoying from a linguistic standpoint. They are completely unwilling to learn any language other than their own, they approach you in French even here in the Netherlands, just expecting you to speak it. They treat you like crap when you don't speak French in their own country.

    They're horrible. The sooner English assimilates the world, the better. Dutch will be eaten up by English some day too. Big whoop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dude View Post
    I find the French annoying from a linguistic standpoint. They are completely unwilling to learn any language other than their own, they approach you in French even here in the Netherlands, just expecting you to speak it. They treat you like crap when you don't speak French in their own country.
    You could easily substitute "French" for the "English" in this paragraph. As far as I know, many French speakers can speak English while most North Americans are too lazy to learn anything else. Everywhere we go, we demand everyone to speak English. The English speakers are much more arrogant in this regard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noble Savage View Post
    Just a little heads-up . Lets keep the debate in English please chaps.

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    Roflmaoz. +REP for the unintended irony. The french language is simply unfeasible and unnecessary. Learn english now mates, because no number of summits will reverse this trend
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    The replies in this thread. wtf.

    Has nationalism in the Pit got this bad? Celebration and "wooting" about the decline of a language?

    I hope French and any language continues to exist. I am English.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Heinz Guderian View Post
    I hope French and any language continues to exist. I am English.
    You're English....but don't hate the French? but...that would make you....a communist! No in all seriousness, I agree Franco-phobia is rising, only the English can joke about the French and vica versa due to our long ridiculous history. Americans see this. 112 Gripes about the French.

    Vive la langue française!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heinz Guderian View Post
    The replies in this thread. wtf.

    Has nationalism in the Pit got this bad? Celebration and "wooting" about the decline of a language?

    I hope French and any language continues to exist. I am English.
    Is that English in America or English in Canada? Because it's easy to sit in an American computer chair and say you dig other languages. If it was a forced de facto for your Country, it may be a different story.

    Theres a bigggggggggg difference considering America is de facto English, and as long as you live there, it's all you need to know pretty much.

    As for us Canadian Anglophones, it's all about English. I learned French from Gr. 1-9, I hated it, I am against it, I see no point for it on a federal level, we're trying to focus on English in our schools as it is the most important language in the world right now, even then, people still struggle to learn it. French just clutters that up. I hope French fails. Good day.

    @ Erik: I totally agree to that, we need one unified language, I believe English is that language.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zephyrus View Post
    Roflmaoz. +REP for the unintended irony. The french language is simply unfeasible and unnecessary. Learn englidh now mates, because no number of summits will reverse this trend
    None languages are "unecessary" because they represented a culture and a society. In contrary know multiple languages is always a plus and it will open you more opportunities and a different point of view on the world.

    "La langue est un lien remarquable de parenté qui dépasse en force le lien de l’idéologie (...). La langue française constitue l’appoint à notre patrimoine culturel, enrichit notre pensée, exprime notre action, contribue à forger notre destin intellectuel et à faire de nous des hommes à part entière".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darsh View Post
    None languages are "unecessary" because they represented a culture and a society. In contrary know multiple languages is always a plus and it will open you more opportunities and a different point of view on the world.
    Well said. Every nations language is an important part of their culture and in some cases their identity. What's ridiculous is partaking in a pissing match competition with the English language(which will probably be overtaken by Manderin) because of a paranoid fear that French is being ignored.

    P.S: i always thought it was us Brits who can't be bothered at learning another language.
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    I can't think of a more complete way to waste your life than to become a teacher to promulgate the French language at this point in history. French is obviously doomed - it will be crushed by English as the voice of the West in the face of Mandarin expansion.
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    As somebody who had to learn 4 different languages at school (Dutch, English, German and French) I'm strongly against this.

    The world should pick ONE language for international use, and it's already obvious this language should be English.
    This way most people would only need to learn two languages.

    If French happens to be your native language, or if it's your national language (this applies to large parts of Africa), you will continue to speak it of course.
    A language doesn't go away just because everybody speaks the same language in international exchanges.

    Maybe the French speaking and the English speaking world can make an agreement:
    The French speakers adopt English, and the English speakers adopt the French metric system.
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    Why are the French so crazy about their language? I remember this being a big deal in Quebec some time ago where people were forced to use French in public or something like that. I don't remember exactly. I mean, just learn whatever language will help you the most depending on your geographic area. I learned Spanish to a reasonable degree of fluency because there are a lot of Spanish speakers here in the US and most of the America's speak Spanish. There's no need to complain about it. Just look at Malta. I don't think anyone speaks Maltese outside of the island, and you don't see them spending money to promote it.

    I think it's just nostalgia for the past, back when French was the international language. Things change though and English may not be the international language in the next few decades.

    I think the French need to calm down a little though. I can't learn every language of every country I visit, so there's no need to give me an attitude every time I go to France because I can't say much in French.
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    I went to some economic conference in france some time ago rude bastards you have to speak french to them and even when trying they give you a hard time.

    they lost there big stop in history and moaning wont bring it back.

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    Baah, Abolish it. I wasted 3 years of high school trying to learn this pointless language! Spanish or Russian would have been so much better! Or just no 2nd foreign language (english is more than enough to do well in this world) and put it all into sports or physics, or a creative class!

    Btw, the french launguage is not endangered!...
    As a Dane I should feel a lot more concerned about my language do to or population and or generally open attitude to outside (non-muslim) influence. Mostly from the States or England...
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    First off I love the irony...that the French are worried about the spread of English in the french speaking world ...when it was English speakers *cough* Americans *cough* that saved them from being forced to speak German

    On a serious note... I actually agree with the premise.... and I think they should do what they can to promote/ensure the continued dominance of French in the Franco-linguistic world (I think thats right)

    Its like here in America... I believe English should be the official national language... all gov't documents, education, ect ,ect, should be in English and only English.... It is a similar idea... it is part linguisitc, part cultural, part nationalistic...

    I honestly hope the French are able to continue and improve there efforts in this endevour...(wow...Im actually aproving and favoring the french...Im so ashamed with myself

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    As far as I'm concerned the whole of the non-english speaking world has a duty and obligation to learn English. These proposal to increase the spread of a language like French are a mistake.

    The sooner the whole world is comunicating in English the better off we will all be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Empi Rapper View Post
    As far as I'm concerned the whole of the non-english speaking world has a duty and obligation to learn English. These proposal to increase the spread of a language like French are a mistake.

    The sooner the whole world is comunicating in English the better off we will all be.
    Why don't we all just learn Esperanto then? As Darsh pointed out, languages are more than a means of communication, they have tremendous cultural value. It would be a travesty if the original works of Rousseau or Dumas were forever lost.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Dude View Post
    I find the French annoying from a linguistic standpoint. They are completely unwilling to learn any language other than their own, they approach you in French even here in the Netherlands, just expecting you to speak it. They treat you like crap when you don't speak French in their own country.

    They're horrible. The sooner English assimilates the world, the better. Dutch will be eaten up by English some day too. Big whoop.
    And I find English annoying from a linguistic standpoint, and I think it sounds utterly hideous, but this really doesn't say anything about its value as a language. It might be more convenient if there were a single language, but it is not worth the destruction of culture.

    In my experiences, it is the native English speakers who refuse to learn another language. A lot of people have looked at me like I had fluorescent blue skin and twelve eyes when I told them I wanted to learn French, but in France, people were very tolerant of my imperfect French, and many spoke English.

    I find it rather ridiculous that some English speakers denounce the French for not learning other languages, all the while touting English as the supreme language.

    Vive la langue Française!

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