Abortion [Beren Erchamion vs Shyam Popat] Commentary Thread

[Senno]

Please post comments on the above titled debate here.

Link to Debate Thread.

[Ummon]

wrong thread.

[bushbush]

bren is GOING DOWN!!

[Каие]

As soon as I saw the "All men are created equal" segment, I face palmed myself.

[Armatus]

It never ceases to amaze me how this subject continues to be held hostage by the extremes on either end. Weather it's ideological zealousness in the placement of values on the definition of 'life' or the self-prevalent individualism which would rather ignore certain scientific realities and virtue ethics.

I am interested to see where they end up and if it will lead to a compromise. Unfortunately I doubt that will happen.

[Каие]

It's sad to see in the worlds greatest and only remaining super power and self proclaimed perfect democracy Abortion is a political issue which changes massive amounts of votes.

[Bovril]

Bren is using horrible amounts of eviquivocation, i.e he's taking the biological definition of life, and then transferring it across to arguments which if properly conducted use the ethical definition. This is not acceptable, and Shyam should call him on it.

[André Masséna]

It's sad to see in the worlds greatest and only remaining super power and self proclaimed perfect democracy Abortion is a political issue which changes massive amounts of votes.

I agree, why can't we all be pro-life?

[Markas]

I agree, why can't we all be pro-life?

I guess some of us prefer for people to be able to have a choice rather than deferring our rights to right-wingers and religious nuts.

[Shi Huangdi]

I guess some of us prefer for people to be able to have a choice rather than deferring our rights to right-wingers and religious nuts.

On the other hand, why should unborn children be forced to defer their rights to left-wingers and Feminazis?

[bushbush]

On the other hand, why should unborn children be forced to defer their rights to left-wingers and Feminazis?

how they have rights when they aren't even born? so i guess we should give rights to all unborn people in the next 6 billion years then. We better stop pollutions i guess.

[Каие]

I agree, why can't we all be pro-life?

Or perhaps, it shouldn't be a political issue, but a medical one? Let the doctors and patients decide.

[André Masséna]

Or perhaps, it shouldn't be a political issue, but a medical one? Let the doctors and patients decide.

Agreed. But let's take it a step further. Let us abort those who aren't going to be good Aryan baby's. They will, after all inconvenience us.

[Каие]

Agreed. But let's take it a step further. Let us abort those who aren't going to be good Aryan baby's. They will, after all inconvenience us.

Why would I take it to that step? Is this a pathetic attempt to invoke Godwin's Law? You already know I am against abortion [with a couple of details]...I just don't think it should be a political issue.

[André Masséna]

You're right. We are silly fools for wanting to stop murder. Our views are obviously fascist.

Why on earth would we want to stop it politically?

[Каие]

You're right. We are silly fools for wanting to stop murder. Our views are obviously fascist.

Why on earth would we want to stop it politically?

Too much sarcasm, I fail to differentiate between the sarcasm and the seriousness. I'll tell you anyway. I personally am opposed to abortion, however I understand the concerns and the 'other side's' argument, so the compromise and common ground logically, would be;

No after 10 weeks, as that's when the little heart starts beating and life starts. Before that he is potential life, like the gametes and zygotes, not yet true life. We must choose the lesser of two evils. A life is worth more.

[cottontail]

You're right. We are silly fools for wanting to stop murder. Our views are obviously fascist.

Why on earth would we want to stop it politically?

Because there are far more important things to be talked about on a political level then abortion? How about the bail out, for example? Or the fact that America is trillions of dollars in debt? Notice that both the canidates seem to shy away from these issues, and talk about less important problems such as abortion. Why don't you start caring about something really important for the welfare of America instead of closing your minds to it and rant about abortion, when you should be worried about the economy. Honestly, abortion is a minor issue compared to our economy. Yet none of the canidates have done much to address the economy. Instead, they have been debating about relatively unimportant topics like abortion. Honestly, get your priorities right. Abortion does not need politics. It is the decision of the family. The politicans should actually start caring about important things.

As for abortion, I'm against it morally, but I can see little alternative. Those that have abortions are usually pregnant teens who have no idea to raise a kid, and definetly no rescources to do so. It seems more logical to abort the kid, then have a child when you are ready for one, then to have it now and have it grow up to be uncared for.

[bushbush]

You're right. We are silly fools for wanting to stop murder. Our views are obviously fascist.

Why on earth would we want to stop it politically?

oh wow? so i guess pro-choice is supporting murder? what the is wrong with you? Pro-choice is about giving women the right to control their own bodies. And more importantly, the inception of life is still an unresolved question. If you gonna call someone a "murderer" (a very serious accusation), you better prove it beyond reasonable doubt or you are smearing people. The word "murder" shouldn't be thrown around like this easily. It's a shame that people on your side would do things like this to smear others just to win a goddamn debate. Shame.

[Yorkshireman]

oh wow? so i guess pro-choice is supporting murder? what the is wrong with you? Pro-choice is about giving women the right to control their own bodies. And more importantly, the inception of life is still an unresolved question. If you gonna call someone a "murderer" (a very serious accusation), you better prove it beyond reasonable doubt or you are smearing people. The word "murder" shouldn't be thrown around like this easily. It's a shame that people on your side would do things like this to smear others just to win a goddamn debate. Shame.

Good post Bushy.

It makes me laugh when all of the people in this thread opposing abortion are male and therefore will never have to face the decision over weather to terminate a pregnancy or not. No politician or religious nut of any brand has the right to determine what a woman decides to do with her own body.

Half the pro-lifers on here defend their right on other threads to go out and shoot baby deer in the head on a weekend with a friggin howitzer.

[Osceola]

Beren is putting up a pathetic performance, as anyone can see.

The Hat does it once again.

All hail Popat the goddamn Hat.