Joe Wurzelbacher not a Plumber

[Oswald von Wolkenstein]

"Joe the Plumber"

Not a plumber (he has no license) , not registered to vote, and not a businessmen with anywhere near the capital to buy a $200,000 business or to be making that much a year. (four separate links)

So the whole thing is a staged fraud: I can think of no better summary of McCain's campaign.

One can not be both ignorant and free.

[MathiasOfAthens]

WOW, big news in a way if this blows McCain chances.
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[Big War Bird]

I don't think beating up on Joe the Plumber as his aspirations is very smart tactic. It's a good example of the long knives coming out for anyone tha dares ask the Chosen One a serious question, and that the Chosen One accidently reveiled his marxist ideology makes this man marked for death.

So the whole thing is a staged fraud: I can think of no better summary of McCain's campaign

Um yeah I'm sure John McCain planned Obama's schedule to put him right in front Joe's house.

[Oswald von Wolkenstein]

I don't think beating up on Joe the Plumber as his aspirations is very smart tactic. It's a good example of the long knives coming out for anyone tha dares ask the Chosen One a serious question, and that the Chosen One accidently reveiled his marxist ideology makes this man marked for death.



Um yeah I'm sure John McCain planned Obama's schedule to put him right in front Joe's house.

You know you're right. I think I am an electrician who wants to purchase large tracts of land in the South Ossieta, I don't have a penny to my name and it's more likely that I'll sprout wings and fly, before I ever do that -- oh and I don't actually have certification as an electrician -- but some of my crazy views coincide with McCain's and his campaign has dubbed me "Bob the Electrician" -- and even though I am not an actaul electrician, I only have stakes in South Ossieta in my deranged mind, and I am not registered to vote -- John McCain is going to introduce me as an issue in the 2008 Election.

Oh and if you criticize McCain on pulling that kind of stunt -- you're out of touch with the common man?

No sir.

The "common man and woman" in America is sick of the crap. And when they find out that Joe the Plumber is neither plumber, nor entrepreneur, nor registered to vote, it will bode poorly for McCain.

[WrathofTulkas]

Obama did say "Spread the Wealth"

Communist Manifesto

Capitalism => Socialism

Remember during the VP debate how Biden kept saying "Fair"

I think its clear to see that Obama, and many democrats like the idea of socialism... they want to contiue towards true communism... I think many are just too idealistic... they need to deal with reality and human nature.

I want to Slap Marx for such an absurd ideology that would only work... um never. Life isnt about fairness and sharing no matter how much our brains tell us that it might be a good idea Sure there can be commumnity but there can never be full equality...

[Oswald von Wolkenstein]

Obama did say "Spread the Wealth"

Communist Manifesto

Capitalism => Socialism

Remember during the VP debate how Biden kept saying "Fair"

I think its clear to see that Obama, and many democrats like the idea of socialism... they want to contiue towards true communism... I think many are just too idealistic... they need to deal with reality and human nature.

I want to Slap Marx for such an absurd ideology that would only work... um never. Life isnt about fairness and sharing no matter how much our brains tell us that it might be a good idea Sure there can be commumnity but there can never be full equality...

How could you possibly claim this now!!??? The current GOP admin just nationalized the banks. So all your "commie critiques" are now belong to us.

Making the super rich (less than 2% of the population make more that 250,000 per year --less than 2% of all small businesses make more than 250,000 per year) pay the same tax rate as the rest of us is not spreading the wealth, is sharing the burden fairly. Right now we have feudalism -- .0003% control damn near 50% of the wealth -- and no one is talking about redistributing that, we're simply asking them to start paying taxes like the rest of us.

That is so tired -- that whole spread the wealth crap makes it seem like the McCain camp got their talking points from a poster in frat rec room.

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[WrathofTulkas]

How could you possibly claim this now!!??? The current GOP admin just nationalized the banks. So all your "commie critiques" are now belong to us.

Making the right pay the same tax rate as the rest of us is not spreading the wealth, is sharing the burden fairly.

That is so tired -- that whole spread the wealth crap makes it seem like the McCain camp got their talking points from a poster in frat rec room.

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Oh Im not voting for McCain... DO you actually think I agree with conservatives who claim to be conservative and then spend like mad men... hell no

Im conservative and agree with a lot that Bob Barr says So Im voting for him

Oswald do you realize you just endorse a flat tax, something your marxist candidate rejects?

haha

[morteduzionism]

I don't think beating up on Joe the Plumber as his aspirations is very smart tactic. It's a good example of the long knives coming out for anyone tha dares ask the Chosen One a serious question, and that the Chosen One accidently reveiled his marxist ideology...

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That's it! If this wasn't so comical it might be pathetic...lol

Why would anyone attack Joe!? According to the Fact Checks that have been done on the situation it was made abundantly clear that under the Obama plan Joe would in fact NOT HAVE HIS TAXES RAISED OR BE FINED FOR HEALTH INSURANCE!

So why would anyone have a problem with him? On the contrary, they [Obama camp] would probably want to parade him around as an example of a) how McCain distorts things and b) the truth behind Obama's proposals...

What does Fox News put in their Kool-Aide?

...makes this man marked for death.

Don't get TWC in trouble with this type of stuff! ...it's something fundamentally wrong with some people...it's really not that serious.

[Oldgamer]

I don't think beating up on Joe the Plumber as his aspirations is very smart tactic. It's a good example of the long knives coming out for anyone tha dares ask the Chosen One a serious question, and that the Chosen One accidently reveiled his marxist ideology makes this man marked for death.

Exactly. And since Joe simply wants to own a plumbing company (therefore isn't a "businessman"), the whole attack upon him is moot.

Has anyone noticed that BHO has set the limits of the American dream at $250,000 per year?

[morteduzionism]

I don't think beating up on Joe the Plumber as his aspirations is very smart tactic. It's a good example of the long knives coming out for anyone tha dares ask the Chosen One a serious question, and that the Chosen One accidently reveiled his marxist ideology makes this man marked for death.

Noone is beating up on him.

He misrepresented himself and McCain tried to capitalize on it. Then by some freak chance this guy with a misrepresented story suddenly has ties to Alaska...

I never knew sorting out the fact from fiction was considered "beating up" on someone.

Has anyone noticed that BHO has set the limits of the American dream at $250,000 per year?

Huh? ...Oh, it's a "limit" because he wants people who make more than that to pay a higher tax (only on the money that surpasses the 200K [for individuals] 250K [couples])?

Well if that "limits" your aspirations to make more than $250K/yr...that's just you...lol

[Mikelus Trento]

I am so sick of this whining. Whoopie do, so someone making $350k gets to pay only three thousand more a year. Quite your whining!!

[morteduzionism]

I am so sick of this whining. Whoopie do, so someone making $350k gets to pay only three thousand more a year. Quite your whining!!

What makes it so bad is that most of the people that seem to be complaining the most probably don't make anything close to 250K/yr...

They just hate Obama so much that they'll support rich (bleep)ers who wouldn't normally spit on them just to hurt Obama......cutting off your nose to spite a stranger...lol

[Oldgamer]

I am so sick of this whining. Whoopie do, so someone making $350k gets to pay only three thousand more a year. Quite your whining!!

Whining? It's my money. I earned it. It doesn't belong to the government ...

I will object to every cent the feds take from me, when my current rate goes up to 70%. It's not the government's money, dammit!

[OTZ]

Has anyone noticed that BHO has set the limits of the American dream at $250,000 per year?

Well shucks y'all, looks like being a cab driver instead of a doctor is looking more and more like a good idea now.

Too bad capitlisam has made the "American Dream" an impossibilty for tha vast majority of peole who subscribe to it.

[morteduzionism]

If Joe wasn't a McCain operative...he's going to be pissed...

I don't think beating up on Joe the Plumber as his aspirations is very smart tactic.

That can't be decided until they find out if he's real or not...if he's real, I agree with you. If not...

Um yeah I'm sure John McCain planned Obama's schedule to put him right in front Joe's house.

How hard is it to find out where a candidate is going to be campaigning?

[MathiasOfAthens]

Oswald I dont like McCain or Palin at all but I read those links and I cant find anything that even closely resembles the conspiracy you make it out to be. This guy prob bought in to republican smear tactics and into what FOX news says every day about Obama. With that said hes prob just an average voter too busy to listen closely to the news but someone whos already made up there mind and bought into McCain campaign negative ads... he prob voting for McCain but I dont think hes a McCain insider. McCain insiders are all lobbyist and hockeymums.
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[Oswald von Wolkenstein]

Oswald I dont like McCain or Palin at all but I read those links and I cant find anything that even closely resembles the conspiracy you make it out to be. This guy prob bought in to republican smear tactics and into what FOX news says every day about Obama. With that said hes prob just an average voter too busy to listen closely to the news but someone whos already made up there mind and bought into McCain campaign negative ads... he prob voting for McCain but I dont think hes a McCain insider. McCain insiders are all lobbyist and hockeymums.

It's not a conspiracy -- it just full out stupidity and straight up lies.

Joe Wurzelbacher* is not a plumber, he's not an entrepreneur and he's not registered to vote. -- That was clear from the links that I provided. Beyond that --whether it's just the stupidity of the McCain campaign not to look into this or whether Joe is a paid actor is irrelevant. It' staged in the sense that it's totally disingenuous -- like McCain's campaign-- that's what I meant.

The Joe story is just like all the Acorn and Ayers crap -- a load of irrelevant lies when you look closer. A load of irrelevant lies, like the GOP campaign.

* Spice or Weed Creek -- Maybe Joe has been smoking the weed. Caused him to become a skinhead with no money who thinks Obama stands in the way of him and buying $250,000 business -

Well in that case, McCain stands in the way of me having an orgy at the playboy mansion.

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[Big War Bird]

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[Erik]

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Interesting piece, hadn't seen it before.

It's not often that you hear a candidate explain in such detail why he stands for what he stands for.

I have to seriously question this notion that 90 or 95% of small businesses have revenue under $250K A single doctor working one day week can have that much revenue. A simple farmer has more revenue than that. Most farmers I have know preside over sales around a $1 million.

I can't imagine a business with more than two employees could manage to have revenues below $250K.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think they are talking profit, not revenue.

[morteduzionism]

Interesting piece, hadn't seen it before.

It's not often that you hear a candidate explain in such detail why he stands for what he stands for.

Agreed.

If it was BS, it sounded authentic...the pertinent thing I heard is that Obama is going to simply go back to what the tax rate was during Clinton's administration...

He was honest he said he can't say for sure what would happen.

He told him he'd probably get a cut on health insurance...

Finally, as it's been stated the Fact Check said Joe would in fact do better under the Obama plan...