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    Weve all heard that if you critize Obama you must be a racist...but apperently now youre also a threat....

    Now we all have to be suspicious of things we read online this was brought to my attention http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors...et-service.htm Obviously this isnt a nationally reconized source...so I have spent some time looking to see if I can confirm its validity... I found the same story in the local paper of the town where it occurs http://www.lufkindailynews.com/searc...t_service.html


    This story was covered today, October 7, 2008, in the Lufkin Daily News, however, not in such detail. This action sends shivers up my spine. Libby



    Dear Friends: We have had some interesting things going on our street this week but this "takes the cake". The election is less than a month away - people need to be aware of this information of the tactics that have been used this week on my neighbor. This is not a political agenda I am on, this is a matter of principle. She is not a 'mental case nor political activist' just your everyday young Mom with small children and a husband out of the military. If this is the kind of "change" Mr. Obama is referring to, we are definitely in for more than what has met the eye. What has happened here is not only appalling but frightening to think we may no longer have the freedom to speak against "the powers that be" without the Secret Service showing up at your door. Keeping in mind, there is no taped conversation - simply a disgruntled volunteer who was not getting the response she was looking for. Jessica has contacted several politicians and news organizations - some who have told her "this is out of my jurisdiction". Please! Enough is enough - I for one will stand behind this young woman and notify every person I can possibly think of to make people aware of this travesty! I hope you will forward this on as well to as many people as you possibly can - especially to our elected officials and news organizations. Feel free to email me for verification.
    Connie Wells—Lufkin, TX

    On Wednesday the 1st of October I received a call on my cell while in the car with my husband. It was a woman who identified herself as calling from the Obama Campaign. The phone # she called from was 903-798-6020 which lists as "Obama Volunteers of Texarkana" (Texas).
    She asked if I was an Obama supporter to which I replied:
    "No, I don't support him, your guy is a socialist who voted four times in the State Senate to let little babies die in hospital closets; I think you should find something better to do with your time." I hung up.
    Thursday, October 2, I answered the front door to find the Secret Service. Immediately I thought of the call and was furious that apparently you are not allowed to call Obama a Socialist without the Secret Service coming to investigate. Instead, they asked me about the following comment, relayed by the Obama Volunteer of Texarkana who called me, unsolicited on my cell phone:
    "I will never support Obama and he will wind up dead on a hospital floor."
    My husband laughed and told them “No, she called him a socialist but she never said a word about him dying.” I gave them my actual quote. The woman asked insolently “Oh? Well why would she make that up?”
    I replied that I supposed she wasn’t happy about what I said about her candidate and the Agent said “That’s right, you were rude!” The last time I checked being rude wasn’t a crime in America.
    Luckily the big file they had gathered on me didn't indicate mental instability or a past life of stalking/crime, however they did want to know how I felt about Obama. That was my limit. I told the Agent in no uncertain terms that my thoughts were not pertinent to their investigation, that this was America and the last time I checked I was allowed to think whatever I wanted without being questioned by the Secret Service. In fact, even if I had said what she claimed, that isn't a threat. I told them (again) and my husband verified that the statement reported by Obama's volunteer was a lie. I asked them if there was a tape of the call and they said no. I said, "So on the word of a ticked off Obama supporter you are on my porch with no other evidence and you want to question me about my THOUGHTS!?"
    They informed me that there was no evidence she was an Obama supporter…someone calling from his campaign…are you kidding?
    I was not allowed to know the name of my accuser at which point they informed me that it wasn't like I was in a court of law, YET, as if this was a good thing. I recognized this as a veiled threat. I told them I would happily go to court since I did nothing wrong and at least then my accuser would have to face me rather than sending the thought police to my house.
    They then said they were trying to do me a favor, that they came to me first before “embarrassing you by going to all your neighbors and family”, another threat? I told them to be my guest and talk to whomever they wanted but they weren’t going to investigate my thoughts on my porch.
    They also informed me that it would be easier if the next time a supporter calls me I just say "Yeah sure count me in, or just hang up" apparently so she won't get her undies in a bundle and give them more useless trips. Yeah right. I said "Look, someone calls me unsolicited on my cell phone to ask me to support their candidate and I can't tell them why I don't?" I said I was sorry they made a wasted trip but if they had a problem with some made up lie they needed to go talk to her about it because it wasn't my fault they had to drive from Houston for nothing.
    At one point I went inside and got a notepad to record their badge numbers and they refused to show me their badges. They had done the quick flip when they arrived. I asked for a card and the female Agent refused to give me one stating “You’re not going to get a card.” The male Agent gave me a card and told me I could contact Houston with any questions.
    The fact that the volunteer lied, the fact that the Secret Service came to my house to question me about my thoughts and feelings and threaten to embarrass me to my neighbors and go to court if I didn’t cooperate is not really the tragedy here. Because that girl on the phone doesn’t have the pull to send the Secret Service to my home. Someone high in the ranks of a campaign working for a man who may be the next President of the United States of America felt comfortable bringing the force of the Federal Government to bear on a private citizen on nothing but the word of a partisan volunteer.
    I want to file a counter complaint that false charges were made, that a false report was given to a peace officer. The Secret Service told me I cannot because they will protect the identity of the complainant. I also want the file they have on me destroyed and I want to know that my phone isn’t tapped, etcetera. I am hearing a lot of “Out of my Jurisdiction”.
    Do I also hear jackboots?
    Jessica Hughes
    Lufkin, Texas
    This is scary... can anyone saw Orwellian?? I guess this is the kind of change Obama will bring huh

    I wonder if the SS will come to my house becuase of this... better hide my identity

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    MMMMMM

    What's that smell?

    Ah... horse manure.

    So, I'm expected to believe, that out of the thousands openly shouting "KILL OBAMA" in a publically taped McCain rally, no one got any sort of flak but this one lady has attracted the attention of THE SECRET SERVICE?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mithie View Post
    So, I'm expected to believe, that out of the thousands openly shouting "KILL OBAMA" in a publically taped McCain rally
    Thousands?

    I have heard like 2. One guy at a Palin rally yelled "KILL HIM" but I think he was talking about Ayers.


    One guy shouted "TERRORIST" but that's hardly the same as kill him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mithie View Post
    MMMMMM

    What's that smell?

    Ah... horse manure.

    So, I'm expected to believe, that out of the thousands openly shouting "KILL OBAMA" in a publically taped McCain rally, no one got any sort of flak but this one lady has attracted the attention of THE SECRET SERVICE?
    Here Here total horse !
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    I agree with mithie, Smells like bull to me.

    Even if it did happen I can't say I dont blame them. If someone calls in saying that they told them that Obama would end up dead on a hospital floor.... well that sounds like a death threat to me....
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    I doN't know about the article but many governments already do follow our lives...once, my friend posted a video on youtube. We both were in the video, he said something about the wife of the PM. He said "her porn was on the internet"....then he went to America for a year, one day his mother call him and says we've been called by the government. They said you have a video on youtube talking about the PMs wife and demanded it to be removed or we they could be sued.


    I bet it's much more advanced in America. I belive a lot of people should read "1984" over there.
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    They were probably ex-KGB Russian immigrants with false Secret Service ID's trying to create mess in USA.
    the thousands openly shouting "KILL OBAMA" in a publically taped McCain rally
    They actually did that? Good work USA, you are on good way to become Balkan...
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    SAT question for you guys.

    Who exactly do the Secret Service serve?

    A. The Current President
    or
    B. The Potential President

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mithie View Post
    SAT question for you guys.

    Who exactly do the Secret Service serve?

    A. The Current President
    or
    B. The Potential President
    Both actually.

    http://www.ustreas.gov/usss/protection.shtml

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    Quote Originally Posted by OTZ View Post
    But does Obama, or indeed McCain, have authority to direct them?
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    Quote Originally Posted by OTZ View Post
    "Major presidential and vice presidential candidates, and their spouses within 120 days of a general presidential election"

    Yes - Obama is on the SS protectorate list -

    But they still report to the current president, right? As in, Obama can't go ordering the secret service around?

    Edit: Okay. I guess. I still think this is far more likely to be bullcrap than otherwise, though.

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    Precisely Mithie. Last time I looked the Republicans were in charge of the country, and presumably the security apparatus. Makes no sense. Men in Black are just as plausible.
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    Wouldn't matter. If a perceived threat exists and it's reported, the SS is bound by the law to investigate it.

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    Just 120 days before a general presidential election?! But they're both Senators and one of them a future president! They should be in the protectorate list since they got elected as Senators and be doubly guarded since they received the nomination.
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    Lol it´s the beginning of socialism that leads to communism.





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    Quote Originally Posted by Sven788 View Post
    Lol it´s the beginning of socialism that leads to communism.
    Fascism leads to Communism? That's a new one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by H.L Spieghel
    Is het niet hogelijk te verwonderen, en een recht beklaaglijke zaak, Heren, dat alhoewel onze algemene Dietse taal een onvermengde, sierlijke en verstandelijke spraak is, die zich ook zo wijd als enige talen des werelds verspreidt, en die in haar bevang veel rijken, vorstendommen en landen bevat, welke dagelijks zeer veel kloeke en hooggeleerde verstanden uitleveren, dat ze nochtans zo zwakkelijk opgeholpen en zo weinig met geleerdheid verrijkt en versiert wordt, tot een jammerlijk hinder en nadeel des volks?
    Quote Originally Posted by Miel Cools
    Als ik oud ben wil ik zingen,
    Oud ben maar nog niet verrot.
    Zoals oude bomen zingen,
    Voor Jan Lul of voor hun god.
    Ook een oude boom wil reizen,
    Bij een bries of bij een storm.
    Zelfs al zit zijn kruin vol luizen,
    Zelfs al zit zijn voet vol worm.
    Als ik oud ben wil ik zingen.

    Cò am Fear am measg ant-sluaigh,
    A mhaireas buan gu bràth?
    Chan eil sinn uileadh ach air chuart,
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    Bheir siantannan na bliadhna sìos,
    'S nach tog a' ghrian an àird.

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    Tränen sind denn nicht genug.''

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Croccer View Post
    Fascism leads to Communism? That's a new one.
    Please wake up, I said socialism not facism!





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    Quote Originally Posted by Sven788 View Post
    Please wake up, I said socialism not facism!
    Please wake up, you were referring to a thread where Obama allegedly being fascist eventually becoming Communist. Hence the question marks.
    Quote Originally Posted by A.J.P. Taylor
    Peaceful agreement and government by consent are possible only on the basis of ideas common to all parties; and these ideas must spring from habit and from history. Once reason is introduced, every man, every class, every nation becomes a law unto itself; and the only right which reason understands is the right of the stronger. Reason formulates universal principles and is therefore intolerant: there can be only one rational society, one rational nation, ultimately one rational man. Decisions between rival reasons can be made only by force.





    Quote Originally Posted by H.L Spieghel
    Is het niet hogelijk te verwonderen, en een recht beklaaglijke zaak, Heren, dat alhoewel onze algemene Dietse taal een onvermengde, sierlijke en verstandelijke spraak is, die zich ook zo wijd als enige talen des werelds verspreidt, en die in haar bevang veel rijken, vorstendommen en landen bevat, welke dagelijks zeer veel kloeke en hooggeleerde verstanden uitleveren, dat ze nochtans zo zwakkelijk opgeholpen en zo weinig met geleerdheid verrijkt en versiert wordt, tot een jammerlijk hinder en nadeel des volks?
    Quote Originally Posted by Miel Cools
    Als ik oud ben wil ik zingen,
    Oud ben maar nog niet verrot.
    Zoals oude bomen zingen,
    Voor Jan Lul of voor hun god.
    Ook een oude boom wil reizen,
    Bij een bries of bij een storm.
    Zelfs al zit zijn kruin vol luizen,
    Zelfs al zit zijn voet vol worm.
    Als ik oud ben wil ik zingen.

    Cò am Fear am measg ant-sluaigh,
    A mhaireas buan gu bràth?
    Chan eil sinn uileadh ach air chuart,
    Mar dhìthein buaile fàs,
    Bheir siantannan na bliadhna sìos,
    'S nach tog a' ghrian an àird.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jörg Friedrich
    When do I stop being a justified warrior? When I've killed a million bad civilians? When I've killed three million bad civilians? According to a warsimulation by the Pentagon in 1953 the entire area of Russia would've been reduced to ruins with 60 million casualties. All bad Russians. 60 million bad guys. By how many million ''bad'' casualties do I stop being a knight of justice? Isn't that the question those knights must ask themselves? If there's no-one left, and I remain as the only just one,

    Then I'm God.
    Quote Originally Posted by Louis Napoleon III, Des Idees Napoleoniennes
    Governments have been established to aid society to overcome the obstacles which impede its march. Their forms have been varied according to the problems they have been called to cure, and according to character of the people they have ruled over. Their task never has been, and never will be easy, because the two contrary elements, of which our existence and the nature of society is composed, demand the employment of different means. In view of our divine essence, we need only liberty and work; in view of our mortal nature, we need for our direction a guide and a support. A government is not then, as a distinguished economist has said, a necessary ulcer; it is rather the beneficent motive power of all social organisation.


    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfgang Held
    I walked into those baracks [of Buchenwald concentrationcamp], in which there were people on the three-layered bunkbeds. But only their eyes were alive. Emaciated, skinny figures, nothing more but skin and bones. One thinks that they are dead, because they did not move. Only the eyes. I started to cry. And then one of the prisoners came, stood by me for a while, put a hand on my shoulder and said to me, something that I will never forget: ''Tränen sind denn nicht genug, mein Junge,
    Tränen sind denn nicht genug.''

    Jajem ssoref is m'n korew
    E goochem mit e wenk, e nar mit e shtomp
    Wer niks is, hot kawsones

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oglethorpe1983 View Post
    This is scary... can anyone saw Orwellian?? I guess this is the kind of change Obama will bring huh

    I wonder if the SS will come to my house becuase of this... better hide my identity
    Oh for crap sake! PEOPLE HAVE YELLED "KILL HIM" AND "OFF WITH HIS HEAD" AT RALLIES!

    What the (bleep) are you upset about!

    What you should be upset about is the base behavior of people who caused this stir...

    If people could express their displeasure without threats this wouldn't happen...

    What do you think is going to happen in the country if Obama wins and is killed!?

    If they (Secret Service) don't follow up on stuff and something happens...something help us all...

    No, this is what happens when retarded people pop off with the mouth unchecked...

    What you said was fine...but in this climate (where people have actually threatened him) mentioning "death" in the same sentence is as him is...stupid. Period.

    Also, how the (bleep) can you blame Obama for the Secret Service showing up at your house!? How!?

    No, the people you should talking to are the people who call him a terrorist, Muslim and socialist (...oh you did call him a socialist...)...spreading such vitriol is unproductive. Particularly when they're groundless outright lies.

    You should be absolutely pissed to the highest of pisstivity at the people who have openly suggested "kill him" at rallies.

    You should be beyond irate approaching white hot fury at McCain/Palin for allowing such crap to happen at their rallies!

    For somebodies gods sake, McCain was (bleep)ing booed at his own rally for showing the smallest amount of courtesy to a fellow Senator...

    What the (bleep) is wrong with you people!?

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    Quote Originally Posted by morteduzionism View Post
    Oh for crap sake! PEOPLE HAVE YELLED "KILL HIM" AND "OFF WITH HIS HEAD" AT RALLIES!

    What the (bleep) are you upset about!

    What you should be upset about is the base behavior of people who caused this stir...

    If people could express their displeasure without threats this wouldn't happen...

    What do you think is going to happen in the country if Obama wins and is killed!?

    If they (Secret Service) don't follow up on stuff and something happens...something help us all...

    No, this is what happens when retarded people pop off with the mouth unchecked...

    What you said was fine...but in this climate (where people have actually threatened him) mentioning "death" in the same sentence is as him is...stupid. Period.

    Also, how the (bleep) can you blame Obama for the Secret Service showing up at your house!? How!?

    No, the people you should talking to are the people who call him a terrorist, Muslim and socialist (...oh you did call him a socialist...)...spreading such vitriol is unproductive. Particularly when they're groundless outright lies.

    You should be absolutely pissed to the highest of pisstivity at the people who have openly suggested "kill him" at rallies.

    You should be beyond irate approaching white hot fury at McCain/Palin for allowing such crap to happen at their rallies!

    For somebodies gods sake, McCain was (bleep)ing booed at his own rally for showing the smallest amount of courtesy to a fellow Senator...

    What the (bleep) is wrong with you people!?
    Actually I am pissed off at McCain.... and at the retarded supports who yell kill him (Obama) ...that is totally uncalled for..

    I dont want Obama elected...but I dont want any harm to come to him....

    McCain is a fool for not chastizing these people... it is hurting his campaign.... not to mention that it is disgraceful people are too ignorant to seperate personal prejudice with actual political philosophy...

    But my point here isnt to argue that the Secret Service should respond to actual threats... its to show that they are bieng used by Obama supporters for political reasons...

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