Do you think god loves other animals?

[AqD]

Do you think the Christian god and/or Islamic allah love other animals? I mean like the pigs and the chickens we butcher and eat everyday, or fishes, or the cockroaches we kill for fun, or white mice in labs, or many others we put in zoo for entertainment etc?
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[Ciabhán]

All Dog's Go to Heaven...........the rest are just ed.

[Thanatos]

All animals were created by Him, for Human use. He doesn't hate them, but He doesn't love them either, since they do not have souls.


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You can debate the above statement all you want, but that's the Christian belief right there.

[AqD]

All animals were created by Him, for Human use. He doesn't hate them, but He doesn't love them either, since they do not have souls.


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You can debate the above statement all you want, but that's the Christian belief right there.

So... it is acceptable to kill dogs for fun because they're for our use? (better than to kill other humans )
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[Thanatos]

So... it is acceptable to kill dogs for fun because they're for our use? (better than to kill other humans )

That's purposely twisting my words. I never meant, said, or implied that. While nature is for man to use, it is our duty to be stewards of the planet, not rapists.

[AqD]

That's purposely twisting my words. I never meant, said, or implied that. While nature is for man to use, it is our duty to be stewards of the planet, not rapists.

But there is no difference to other animals (ex: pigs)
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[Legio XII]

All animals were created by Him, for Human use. He doesn't hate them, but He doesn't love them either, since they do not have souls.


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You can debate the above statement all you want, but that's the Christian belief right there.

THE Christian belief? I'm sorry my friend, but you do not speak for me. All living things that possess a brain possess a soul.

[C-Rob]

No, because if he did, he wouldn't have created man.

[The White Knight]

Don't Christians think man was created to look after the creation?

[The Count(er)]

Don't Christians think man was created to look after the creation?

shouldn't some all powerful being be able to do that without the slightest bit of difficulty? and if he's all powerful shouldn't he have everything he needs and if that's true then why does he need to create all this? honestly religion is full of so many points that contradict almost everything else and generally it makes absolutely no sense, I have no idea why people believe this crap.

[Bovril]

Since love is an interaction, God loves those that love God. Since love of God canbe tacit, and be manifested in the love of goodness, people, compassion and so on that are all parts of God or part God, and since every human has some love for at leat one of these things, then God loves all humans. He may rejoice in his creation, but he cannot love that which is not able to love him.

Or at least that is what seems to me to be the case based on any model of God that I would accept as legitimate. Normal disclaimer that I have not comitted to God applies.

[AlexTheGood]

I choosed No because I dont believe in God... And if there was one, then he would be bad... As I see in everyday life... :|

[Vladimir Lenin]

To be honest, I have no Idea.

[Mathais]

Do you think the Christian god and/or Islamic allah love other animals? I mean like the pigs and the chickens we butcher and eat everyday, or fishes, or the cockroaches we kill for fun, or white mice in labs, or many others we put in zoo for entertainment etc?

Yes he love his animals for they feel dont they like us they have social needs as well as the need to be here. To say that there souless is not true for dont we feel joy when our pets come to us bring us comfort or when they are hurt do we not feel there pain and want to end there suffering. I know i might be foolish in what I say but I love the animals of this earth even though they might find me as a good meal. Thats just my two cents of the matter argree or not it dosent matter.

[Maverick]

So... it is acceptable to kill dogs for fun because they're for our use? (better than to kill other humans )

Or own dogs as pets...

Yes he love his animals for they feel dont they like us they have social needs as well as the need to be here. To say that there souless is not true for dont we feel joy when our pets come to us bring us comfort or when they are hurt do we not feel there pain and want to end there suffering. I know i might be foolish in what I say but I love the animals of this earth even though they might find me as a good meal. Thats just my two cents of the matter argree or not it dosent matter.

Are you a pet owner? Have you ever considered that your pet may be a very sad creature completely alienated from its own kind and way of life?

We can't help but love animals that resemble us, we talk to them even though we know they can't understand us, we give them names and lavish attention on our little love surrogates. Of course it's a selfish love, the animal is submissive and only valuable inasmuch as it gives its owner pleasure. Maybe the dog is happy in our artificial world with substitutes for a pack and the hunt and whatever else dogs live for, personally I doubt it and I think the real thing is better.

"Does God love animals?" is a fully loaded question, assuming there is a God I don't think it has much love for any animal that has to cross paths with us, by divine mandate or some fluke of nature (if there is such a thing) we have hegemony over most of the planet and there is nothing to stop us.

I don't know whether this is a good or a bad thing, on the one hand we are the most remarkable form of life that we know of but not more remarkable than life itself. Maybe out of respect for that process we can try not to destroy life forms in a matter of years that take so many millions of years to create. I honestly think it comes down to personal preference and not some idealistic value judgment, what do you prefer, Computers or Cheetahs?

Should we advance human civilization at the expense of biodiversity? I don't know. Will we? Almost certainly. The whole green revolution is nice but we know more about ourselves than that, industry promises us pleasure, more comfort, longer life, more toys and that will always be too seductive for the majority. I guess that makes the other animals Communists, Fascists or Monarchists because the democratization of the environment means their doom, an environmentally friendly tyranny of the minority is their only hope.

So... God loves at least one animal, as long as we don't eventually self-destruct.

And sorry for going all over the place.

[Bovril]

Have you ever considered that your pet may be a very sad creature completely alienated from its own kind and way of life?

Have you ever considdered that although you are completely alienated from the circumstances in which you evolved, yet you are not 'a very sad creature'. All higher animals are adaptable to greater all lesser degrees. Interactions with humans are meaningful to dogs. It is lack of any interaction at all that is problematic.

[Maverick]

Have you ever considdered that although you are completely alienated from the circumstances in which you evolved, yet you are not 'a very sad creature'.

The evolution of humans through natural selection and dogs through selective breeding are completely different.

I'm not at all alienated, I live among other humans and I do human activities. People who don't say have a social group, a pair-bond etc. are sad, why should a pet be any different? Simply because the pet shows affection for its master does not mean it's happy, it's a social creature isolated from its society, all it has is the owners for company, it can't exactly be selective, maybe it makes the best out of a bad situation?

Interactions with humans are meaningful to dogs. It is lack of any interaction at all that is problematic.

Dogs that don't get to play with their own kind develop a lot of problems. For example some people don't take their dogs to the park and that's considered inhumane, play is important. And the pet can't exactly communicate to you "I'm unhappy", the differences are subtle.

I'm not even sure what your point is, all I said was that dogs are better off being dogs instead of a human's love surrogate, if you have the pet mutilated so it can't reproduce, if you isolate it from its own kind, if you forcibly domesticate it, how can it possibly be happier than in its natural state with a pack and hunting and playing etc. as was intended?

[Sator Mortis]

I'm not even sure what your point is, all I said was that dogs are better off being dogs instead of a human's love surrogate,

'Being dogs' means having human masters. The natural habitat of a dog is in human society.

if you have the pet mutilated so it can't reproduce

Dogs don't get biology lessons in school, they have no idea what their testicles or ovaries are for. The operation itself is obviously not very pleasant and as with all medical procedures it is of course never 100% safe, but aside from that all the dog notices is a slowly decreasing interest in sex. A dog isn't capable of thinking 'I really wish I could start a family' or 'damn, six months ago I could still get a boner!', so losing their ability to reproduce has no psychological impact on them. The benefits of neutering usually far outway the minor health risks associated with it.

if you isolate it from its own kind

While a dog should be able to interact with other dogs at least once, but preferable several times a day, dogs are perfectly capable of being on their own for extended periods of time (useful if you have a job) and due to the afore mentioned lack of biology lessons also aren't capable of fully understanding what 'species' are, meaning that they're perfectly ok with interacting with humans. Dogs really don't need to interact with others constantly since, like a lot of predators, they can sleep most of their time away and only be active a few times a day to eat, play, bark at the mailman, etc.

if you forcibly domesticate it

You mean make them do tricks like sit, stay and roll over? While the exact commands are different, it's essentially the same as what would happen in the wild, namely that there is an alpha who tells the dog how to behave. Dogs need a hierarchy, it's far more unnatural and confusing towards a dog if you do not train him.

how can it possibly be happier than in its natural state with a pack and hunting and playing etc. as was intended?

Most dogs suck at hunting. Their natural way of acquiring food is getting it from humans. Most animal species don't even play after puberty, dogs are one of the few species that can afford the luxury of play time. Life in a pack is a constant struggle for survival and dominance, humans provide for dogs and are the alphas of the pack which means that domesticated dogs are able to enjoy their existence a lot more than their cousins living in the wild.


Stray dogs are a great example, they live in conditions that are as close to the 'natural situation' that you envision as they can get, normally living in pack at the edge of a city, hunting and playing without any human interference. Many if not most have in fact been born on the street and have never had a human master. These dogs however are pretty much always underfed, anxious, very stressed and miserable. Although unfortunately a lot of these dogs, when caught, have to be humanely euthanised because they are unadoptable due to various (medical, psychological, age) reasons, the ones that are still healthy and young enough to be put up for adoption tend to become the most loyal pets you can possibly wish for. A dog that's lived on the street and is then adopted by a loving human family will undergo a massive transformation from a scared and nervous animal to a confident, loyal and happy dog that simply radiates gratitude within just a few weeks.

[Mathais]

Are you a pet owner? Have you ever considered that your pet may be a very sad creature completely alienated from its own kind and way of life?


We can't help but love animals that resemble us, we talk to them even though we know they can't understand us, we give them names and lavish attention on our little love surrogates. Of course it's a selfish love, the animal is submissive and only valuable inasmuch as it gives its owner pleasure. Maybe the dog is happy in our artificial world with substitutes for a pack and the hunt and whatever else dogs live for, personally I doubt it and I think the real thing is better.

"Does God love animals?" is a fully loaded question, assuming there is a God I don't think it has much love for any animal that has to cross paths with us, by divine mandate or some fluke of nature (if there is such a thing) we have hegemony over most of the planet and there is nothing to stop us.

I don't know whether this is a good or a bad thing, on the one hand we are the most remarkable form of life that we know of but not more remarkable than life itself. Maybe out of respect for that process we can try not to destroy life forms in a matter of years that take so many millions of years to create. I honestly think it comes down to personal preference and not some idealistic value judgment, what do you prefer, Computers or Cheetahs?

Should we advance human civilization at the expense of biodiversity? I don't know. Will we? Almost certainly. The whole green revolution is nice but we know more about ourselves than that, industry promises us pleasure, more comfort, longer life, more toys and that will always be too seductive for the majority. I guess that makes the other animals Communists, Fascists or Monarchists because the democratization of the environment means their doom, an environmentally friendly tyranny of the minority is their only hope.



So... God loves at least one animal, as long as we don't eventually self-destruct.

And sorry for going all over the place.

Your okay for going all over the place. I see what you mean I have looked at it that way. I used to be a pet owner but due to old age they past away there was nothing I could have done to stop it. I did though my best to make them feel that they where cared for I cant read a animals mind but I think they died happy. For it weird sometimes I feel as though my 35 pound cat jumps on my bed at night. I guss that just his way of saying thank you am not sure but pet lovers do there best to make there animals feel loved.

I fully agree with the third to last thing you said

[Medicus]

Of course God loves animals. Remember how much he loved us sacrificing them?