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    ???????????? what do you think?

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    Nothing, just wanted to see if you'd open it.

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    No, it was a distortion of communism...

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    Stalinism is more fascist. The Soviet Union was a Fascist country trying to pass itself off as Communism.
    Hitler calls Mussolini on the phone:
    "Benito aren't you in Athens yet?"
    "I can't hear you Adolf."
    "I said aren't you in Athens yet?"
    "I can't hear you. You must be ringing from a long way off, presumably London."

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    Not only was the Soviet Union not Stalinist for its entire existence, but Stalinism is a brand, or a form, of communism. Marxism-Leninism is certainly communist. The Soviet Union was not necessarily the form of communism advocated by Marx, but it was communism nonetheless.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Evil Maniac From Mars View Post
    but Stalinism is a brand, or a form, of communism.
    I have to disagree here. Stalinism uses propaganda to establish a little cult around the dictator as well as getting rid of their political opposition through force and literally seperating the people. It has a few traits similar to Communism but Fascism has many structural similarities.
    Hitler calls Mussolini on the phone:
    "Benito aren't you in Athens yet?"
    "I can't hear you Adolf."
    "I said aren't you in Athens yet?"
    "I can't hear you. You must be ringing from a long way off, presumably London."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carentan View Post
    I have to disagree here. Stalinism uses propaganda to establish a little cult around the dictator as well as getting rid of their political opposition through force and literally seperating the people. It has a few traits similar to Communism but Fascism has many structural similarities.
    Fascism is usually capitalist...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carentan View Post
    I have to disagree here. Stalinism uses propaganda to establish a little cult around the dictator as well as getting rid of their political opposition through force and literally seperating the people. It has a few traits similar to Communism but Fascism has many structural similarities.
    Fascism emphasizes something beyond capitalism or communism. Right off the bat, it is impossible for the Soviet Union to have been fascist. Stalinism is ackowledged as a form of communism.



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    It was always communist except during Stalin's reign...Where it was some kind of sadistic hell-hole..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evil Maniac From Mars View Post
    Marxism-Leninism is certainly communist.
    Leninism is hardly Communism too; in fact, under Leninism there was only a new "middle-class" rised up, which Stalin got rid of them after he got power.

    The truth is, true Communism can never work out, so politicians modified it into all sore of Nationalism and Facism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carentan View Post
    Stalinism is more fascist. The Soviet Union was a Fascist country trying to pass itself off as Communism.
    1. No. The Soviet Union was a Communist dictatorship. Learn the difference before talking.
    2. Stalin died in 1955. Then Stalinism was condemned.

    Quote Originally Posted by Carentan View Post
    I have to disagree here. Stalinism uses propaganda to establish a little cult around the dictator as well as getting rid of their political opposition through force and literally seperating the people. It has a few traits similar to Communism but Fascism has many structural similarities.
    Are you pulling a joke? Incase you didn't know, nearly every major dictator in history tried to pull something like that off.. They are all.. fascists now?
    Last edited by Nikitn; October 13, 2008 at 03:23 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikitn View Post
    1. No. The Soviet Union was a Communist dictatorship. Learn the difference before talking.
    2. Stalin died in 1955. Then Stalinism was condemned.
    Stalin died in 1953

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pallantides View Post
    Stalin died in 1953
    Yes, you're right. I was reffering to something else. Anyway, Stalin was dishonoured and ridiculed after his death (deservingly), and the Soviet people's suffering was pretty much lifted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pallantides View Post

    I LOVE IT! + rep

    HAHAHA

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    The USSR ruled with communism like many Medieval countries ruled with Christianity, or Western countries with democracy today. An ideology altered for their own intent, keeping the power in the hands of those at the top, whilst placating the general populace with a distorted dogma.

    There has never been a true communist state, just like there has never been a truly democratic state...
    Last edited by Tominokar; October 15, 2008 at 09:59 AM.


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    There's no such thing as "truly Communist", "truely Capitalist" and so on in my opinion. Ideologies simply cannot be transformed completely to reality, it's impossible.
    Sigh...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carentan View Post
    Stalinism is more fascist. The Soviet Union was a Fascist country trying to pass itself off as Communism.
    Nation is very important in fascism. Stalinism was international. So no.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Estlander View Post
    Nation is very important in fascism. Stalinism was international. So no.
    Stalinism was with strong Russian nationalist orientation; The non-Russian cultures were oppressed, languages' letters were replaces with Russian letters and there was a total 'Russiafiction' of many territories in the Soviet Union at the time of Stalin - who, although was Georgian - was Russian nationalist. He, for example, tend to use pro-Russian terms, who were clearly nationalist; The best term known is 'For mother Russia'.
    Sigh...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azael33 View Post
    Stalinism was with strong Russian nationalist orientation; The non-Russian cultures were oppressed, languages' letters were replaces with Russian letters and there was a total 'Russiafiction' of many territories in the Soviet Union at the time of Stalin
    The russification only happened in the time of Stalin.


    - who, although was Georgian - was Russian nationalist. He, for example, tend to use pro-Russian terms, who were clearly nationalist; The best term known is 'For mother Russia'.
    Dude, what are you ting about? Soviet Union was the successor of Russia. That's why for example Ukrainians are refereed to as Russian. It's not a matter of nationalism. Just like now why Chechens and Tartars are refereed to Russian today (because they live in Russia).

    And yes, the Russian language was the official, but for example in Ukraine, they thought the Ukrainian language.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikitn View Post
    Russia. That's why for example Ukrainians are refereed to as Russian.
    since when? Ukrainians are nothing like russians

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    Nothing, just wanted to see if you'd open it.

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