A little about Islam

[CaesarBR]

direct link: http://br.youtube.com/watch?v=HG9dMKiDzC4

The video speaks for itself...



(Not that it matters, but I'm not Muslim)


Peace be upon you all,
Caesar

[christof139]

Decent video. All religons etc. can and have been be misinterpreted and put to the use of those seeking political etc. domination.

Chris

[duda]

Decent video. All religons etc. can and have been be misinterpreted and put to the use of those seeking political etc. domination.

Chris

best said man

[Ummon]

Nice movie.

Notice, that if Mohammed had killed the unbeliever without anger, everything was fine.

[Каие]

the new testament certainly doesnt :/

He just quoted you the New testament...besides read revelation...?

and anyhow, only the good things are taught. Children are/(or at least were) brought up being taught that everyone's equal,

Shock...so was I and every Muslim...

love thy neighbour, forgiveness etc etc - christian values.

etc. etc. Also Muslim values.

U dont see the arch-bishop of canterbury calling down god's wrath upon the infidel muslims....

You don't see the head of the Muslim council of Britain doing that either.

[Carach]

believe i should get hold of the dispatches undercover mosque (episode 1 and 2!)..a genuine undercover videoing of a mosque praised by the UK government as being tolerant and modern etc etc - uncovered as a centre of extremist preaching (so if thats one of the more liberal mosques god/allah help us)

[Serious Spamurai]

Carach, have you ever been to Central London mosque?

Notice, that if Mohammed had killed the unbeliever without anger, everything was fine.

That story is about Ali ibn abi Talib, cousin and son in law of Muhammad (saws).

[Ummon]

Notice, that if Ali ibn abi Talib had killed the unbeliever without anger, everything was fine.

[Serious Spamurai]

Perhaps because the 'unbeliever' (who was one of the best warriors among the Makkahn Mushrikeen), Amro bin Abduwad, had offered a challenge (as was common in battles at the time). Ali (one of the best warriors in the Muslim army) stepped forward saying "Oh Amro do not boast off too much about your bravery and man-hood. The one who has the power and energy to fight you is standing before you", ibn Abduwad didn't want to fight him claiming: "You would better turn back I do not like to kill you because I was a friend of your father." to which Ali replied ""By God, I like killing you". Ibn Abduwad climbed down from his horse and charged Ali.

Basically, it was (a) in a battle and (b) a duel.

[Ummon]

Indeed, war exists. It is also quite unavoidable wherever interests are conflicting beyond a certain degree. Finally, it is also very much ubiquitous.

The real issue is how much you can encourage it given that it is already so widespread.

[Babur]

Indeed, war exists. It is also quite unavoidable wherever interests are conflicting beyond a certain degree. Finally, it is also very much ubiquitous.

The real issue is how much you can encourage it given that it is already so widespread.

And you think Christianity and Judaism don't advocate war?

[Carach]

And you think Christianity

the new testament certainly doesnt :/

and anyhow, only the good things are taught. Children are/(or at least were) brought up being taught that everyone's equal, love thy neighbour, forgiveness etc etc - christian values. U dont see the arch-bishop of canterbury calling down god's wrath upon the infidel muslims....

[Babur]

the new testament certainly doesnt :/

and anyhow, only the good things are taught. Children are/(or at least were) brought up being taught that everyone's equal, love thy neighbour, forgiveness etc etc - christian values. U dont see the arch-bishop of canterbury calling down god's wrath upon the infidel muslims....

But what about the Pope calling for the Crusades during the Middle Ages?

[Carach]

But what about the Pope calling for the Crusades during the Middle Ages?

thats a poor counter man, going back 600-1000 years in history when times were just a little bit different.

we're talking about the here and now. One religion has changed over the past 500 years for the better, to become modern and tolerant (relatively), the other has remained in the middle ages and thus continues to be extreme in nature. Were islam to be a bit more flexible there wouldnt be this debate, many of the problems that currently exist in the world as the result of religious extremism and intolerance would not exist.

[Vladimir Lenin]

But what about the Pope calling for the Crusades during the Middle Ages?

The position of Pope isn't biblical. Neither is the idea of recapturing "Holy Land" for God.

[dogukan]

the new testament certainly doesnt :/

and anyhow, only the good things are taught. Children are/(or at least were) brought up being taught that everyone's equal, love thy neighbour, forgiveness etc etc - christian values. U dont see the arch-bishop of canterbury calling down god's wrath upon the infidel muslims....

that doesn't change whats in the bible. If we talk about religions they're all pretty same...and they do advocote war. And if we look at the people than things change....it appears Muslims follow their religion a little too much in some parts of the world.

[Babur]

that doesn't change whats in the bible. If we talk about religions they're all pretty same...and they do advocote war. And if we look at the people than things change....it appears Muslims follow their religion a little too much in some parts of the world.

Well you could say the same about Christian Evangelicals in America too

[motiv-8]

. U dont see the arch-bishop of canterbury calling down god's wrath upon the infidel muslims....

Oh God, the irony! Anyway...

Matthew 10:34-37
Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.* For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother in law. A man's enemies will be the members of his household. He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; and he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me.**

*Also translated as division
**Also translated as he who does not hate his father or mother is not worthy of Me; and he who does not hate his son or daughter is not worthy of Me

I know you said 'taught', but if you want to get real, what most children are taught has little to do with biblical grounding -- or rather, not in the New Testament. Kind of like what jihadists preach has little to do with Quranic grounding.

One religion has changed over the past 500 years for the better, to become modern and tolerant (relatively), the other has remained in the middle ages and thus continues to be extreme in nature. Were islam to be a bit more flexible there wouldnt be this debate, many of the problems that currently exist in the world as the result of religious extremism and intolerance would not exist.

Ah yes, the old 'Islam has not changed in the last 500 years and is one monolithic extreme entity' argument that reveals little more than the ignorance of the one who utters the phrase.

What's funny is that doctrinally, the Catholic Church has not changed in the last 500 years, nor the last 2000.

[Carach]

does anyone use the old testament these days?

ive certainly never been given a copy (only ever new T)....

but hey, considering the vast majority of people arent really christian (i know they are officially.. but what they practise is another thing) anyway.... its a pretty poor counter to say that christianity's evil.

[motiv-8]

does anyone use the old testament these days?

Uh, actually, every Protestant denomination I've seen has used the Old Testament almost exclusively in sermons. I've yet to see a sermon that actually covers specific teachings of Jesus as related by the Gospels.

but hey, considering the vast majority of people arent really christian (i know they are officially.. but what they practise is another thing) anyway.... its a pretty poor counter to say that christianity's evil.

Well, well, now you are the judge of who is Christian and who isn't, are you?

Regardless, yes it's a 'poor counter' to say Christianity is evil (everything is a poor counter to you, it seems), but it's a pretty good response to the equally poor assertion that 'Islam is evil'.