Iran critizes US about taliban

[cenkiss]

http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id...onid=351020101

[Serious Spamurai]

It's true.

[PurpleScotch]

It's true.

Agreed. A few years ago, the US would have never even thought about talking to Taliban.

[Carach]

Agreed. A few years ago, the US would have never even thought about talking to Taliban.

diplomacy has never been off the table (unless its been with al qaeda) so...this whole explosion of loling at US for talking about diplomacy with taliban thing is like... non-news. Perhaps people should follow what goes on a bit more closely :/

the whole 'with us or against us' bush speech back in '01 probably misled people, but the Nkoreans have been taken off the axis of evil list for cooperating with nuclear inspection stuff... so things can change! give a little get a little as the saying goes!

[mrmouth]

Wrong. The US has offered the Taliban a deal years ago.

They refused, and counter offered that they would only stop the insurgency if we left.

[Heinz Guderian]

Wrong. The US has offered the Taliban a deal years ago.

They refused, and counter offered that they would only stop the insurgency if we left.

did they? So what has changed? Why do you think the Sec.of.Def is talking about talking to the enemy?

[Sven788]

Why talk to terrorists they are not worth to talk too.

[dogukan]

Why talk to terrorists they are not worth to talk too.

Becuase you can not solve the things the other way...if you use massive force you have no difference than them.

Seriosuly what kind of European are you? You're worse than most people in Turkey in terms of your humanistic views.
I thought Europeans were the ones who chose humanity, d,plomacy over war and many ideas about freedom.
I doubt you belong to that culture:hmmm:

[Babur]

Becuase you can not solve the things the other way...if you use massive force you have no difference than them.

Seriosuly what kind of European are you? You're worse than most people in Turkey in terms of your humanistic views.
I thought Europeans were the ones who chose humanity, d,plomacy over war and many ideas about freedom.
I doubt you belong to that culture:hmmm:

good post +rep


rep for you too Gaius Julius II

[saneel]

You can train them and equip them, but you shouldnt talk with them right Sven?

[Sven788]

You can train them and equip them, but you shouldnt talk with them right Sven?

Equip yes but train no!
And if the USA did train them they didn't do it good when I look at the training vid's of Taliban.

[Azog 150]

did they? So what has changed? Why do you think the Sec.of.Def is talking about talking to the enemy?

I read in the Guardian that the Taliban keep on changing their demands etc, but most of the demands (unsurprisingly) involve the complete withdrawal of NATO Forces.

[Luxchamp]

Equip yes but train no!

or, even more simply put, give em these:




where i come from, we call it the belgian gun

[saneel]

Equip yes but train no!
And if the USA did train them they didn't do it good when I look at the training vid's of Taliban.

O really smart guy, why then USMC still didnt defeat them? Why then thousands of american casualities? Did aliens done that?

[The Dude]

Wait, wait. Let me get this straight.

Iran is of the opinion that once you enter a war, the only way to wrap said war up is by gunfire? Once you commit to violence you have to see it through? Once a conflict reaches its peak by erupting into war, the only way to bring it to a close is by killing everything that can die?

That's just about the most stupid thing I ever heard.

[motiv-8]

O really smart guy, why then USMC still didnt defeat them? Why then thousands of american casualities? Did aliens done that?

Hey, for the last several years the USMC has been almost exclusively in Iraq. They are on their way back right now -- several units that have been resting are being re-deployed, and other units are being pulled from Iraq to eventually go to Afghanistan. The only reason why the Taliban have been gaining ground is because of the acute manpower shortage the coalition has suffered because of operations in Iraq. That's about to change with the swiftness unless the politicians it all up.

By the way.. what thousands of American casualties? There have been less than one thousand coalition deaths in total since 2001.

Iran is of the opinion that once you enter a war, the only way to wrap said war up is by gunfire? Once you commit to violence you have to see it through? Once a conflict reaches its peak by erupting into war, the only way to bring it to a close is by killing everything that can die?

That's just about the most stupid thing I ever heard.

Well... First, congratulations for putting words in mouths, words which were never said. Did you.. read the article in the OP?

Second, do you have any fathoming of how warfare works?

[The Dude]

Well... First, congratulations for putting words in mouths, words which were never said. Did you.. read the article in the OP?

No not at all. I decided to just randomly throw some statements out there.

Here, let me introduce you to the quotes from the article that inspired me to write what I did:

"A senior Iranian MP has said that talks between the US and the Taliban would be tantamount to Washington admitting failure in Afghanistan."
So the fun starts early. I know how this works. By assuming you're already the master over your enemy before the war has even started, it is admitting defeat when the war goes in such a way that you have to engage in talks with your enemy to come to a resolution. Or rather, it is admitting that they were stronger than you expected.

"After seven years of war in Afghanistan, the US and British policy of holding talks with the Taliban means failure by Washington and NATO,”
Again, this repeats what I said above. I'm sure you understand this by now.

“This will spread terrorism and violence in the region," he continued while speaking in a meeting with a high-profile French parliamentary delegation
Obviously the man is of the opinion that by denouncing their previous claim of military superiority, anti-american sentiments that were already present but were left unuttered due to fear of military reprisal will now blossom, to put it colorfully. Again, what he implies seems quite obvious here.

"US Defense Secretary Robert Gates has said the US would support peace talks with the Taliban, and the spokesman for the International Security Assistance Force (ISAF), Brigadier General Richard Blanchette, has said there can be no military solution."
The single most important quote of the whole article since it directly proves all the things I've said above. There can be no military resolution, and since we went into the war with the assumption that force of arms was undoubtedly going to provide a conflict resolution, we therefore now admit that this is untrue. I.e., Defeat.

Now to my point!
Engaging in talks with your enemy is not defeat. It is simply another means of conflict resolution. 8D

Second, do you have any fathoming of how warfare works?

Sure. Side X ends soldiers to location A, while side Y defends location A. Side X hopes the conflict does not spill into location B, while side Y would prefer for the conflict to spill into location B. When the aggressor, Side X, starts to genuinely fear conflict spillover into location B, it will pretend that words can suddenly settle what they should've been settling all along. Oh woe is us, our bullets were not adequate, lets try using our mouths for once.

[Gauvin]

You can train them and equip them, but you shouldnt talk with them right Sven?

Not based on fact, at all. You're doing what everyone against the war likes to do, and that's: suggest that the Mujahideen that fought the Soviets, are the Taliban. It's true that some Mujahideen later formed the Taliban, but former Mujahideen also fought against the Taliban, and are still fighting them, some Mujahideen are in the democratically elected government.

Stop listening to the unprofessional, inexperienced, unaccountable, counter-media blogo-propoganda-sphere.

[shadyrome]

This is kinda off topic but is it true Us troops train and equip them while againist Soviet russia? But they backstab usa?

[Serious Spamurai]

This is kinda off topic but is it true Us troops train and equip them while againist Soviet russia? But they backstab usa?

Not really, it's a massive (but rather common) oversimplification.