Abortion and environmentalism

[Bovril]

One of the chief arguments against abortion is that is prevents a potential human life. One of the cheif arguments for environmentalism is that global warming, for example, will prevent or damage potential lives. Why then is there so little overlap between people who oppose abortion and people who support environmentalism? I genuinely do not understand.

[Ummon]

Is there so little overlap?

[Bovril]

Is there so little overlap?

Maybe you're right, maybe this is more pronounced in the English speaking world than elsewhere. But in the English speaking world, it is an important phenomenon.

Shyam, I don't think you read the OP carefully.

[removeduser_426582376423734]

Having less people is not the only solution to global warming.

[Ummon]

It is because people rarely consider opposites at the same time. If you are for freedom, rarely you are for community. If you are for property, rarely you are for sharing.

Attention spans though, differ.

[Nietzsche]

One of the chief arguments against abortion is that is prevents a potential human life. One of the cheif arguments for environmentalism is that global warming, for example, will prevent or damage potential lives. Why then is there so little overlap between people who oppose abortion and people who support environmentalism? I genuinely do not understand.

Is it your contention that the two are the same? If so, in what way?
Is opposition to environmentalism analogous to abortion? What exactly is your inference here?

[Bovril]

Is it your contention that the two are the same? If so, in what way?
Is opposition to environmentalism analogous to abortion? What exactly is your inference here?

I was merely observing that although these two groups often use a similar premise (i.e. it is our duty to protect potential lives) to justify their position, they do not typically overlap in terms of members. I thought that this seemed problematic from a logical point of view.

[Jams79]

I was merely observing that although these two groups often use a similar premise (i.e. it is our duty to protect potential lives) to justify their position, they do not typically overlap in terms of members. I thought that this seemed problematic from a logical point of view.

You're trying to impose logic on idealogical systems?

[The Count(er)]

One of the chief arguments against abortion is that is prevents a potential human life.

so does getting kicked in the balls but you don't see armies of people against that, I think the main problem is people don't think before making a decision.

[Bovril]

so does getting kicked in the balls but that's not illegal

Assault (or grevous bodily harm if you succeed in rendering your victim infertile) is, at least where I come from, a quite serious crime.

[The Count(er)]

Assault (or grevous bodily harm if you succeed in rendering your victim infertile) is, at least where I come from, a quite serious crime.

not here, it's perfectly legal self defense and with billions of sperm in there even a light kick kills millions of potential people where abortion only kills 1

[Bovril]

not here, it's perfectly legal self defense and with billions of sperm in there even a light kick kills millions of potential people where abortion only kills 1

Hey, I'm not endorsing the principle. Or criticising it for that matter. Maybe people think regarding sperm as a potential life is a bit of a stretch. Its all about degree I suppose.

[Mathais]

Well when it come to abortion I like to think about like this would you want someone else to decied weather you live or not when you have no say? As for the whole Help global warming that BS for if i have that much control over the temp then where the F is my remote for am freezing here! Pluse I dont see how they go hand in hand it pointless in my eyes for why ruin a potenal to a better futher in order to save a world which we have no control over.

[The Count(er)]

Well when it come to abortion I like to think about like this would you want someone else to decied weather you live or not when you have no say?

well at this point abortion is similar to removing a parasite like a tapeworm, all you do is leech life from your host(mother) although you may become a human at one time your only alive in the same way a tapeworm is alive, all you are is an ailment to the host(ask any mother if they enjoyed the painful parts of pregnancy) although most are fine with living with it you shouldn't need to live with a baby anymore than a parasitic organism.

think of it like this, there are people that love butterflies and wouldn't ever kill one, but if they see a caterpillar they'll scream "eww a bug kill it! kill it!" the caterpillar is a potential butterfly but right now it's nothing good or in anyway considered a butterfly

[Mathais]

well at this point abortion is similar to removing a parasite like a tapeworm, all you do is leech life from your host(mother) although you may become a human at one time your only alive in the same way a tapeworm is alive, all you are is an ailment to the host(ask any mother if they enjoyed the painful parts of pregnancy) although most are fine with living with it you shouldn't need to live with a baby anymore than a parasitic organism.

think of it like this, there are people that love butterflies and wouldn't ever kill one, but if they see a caterpillar they'll scream "eww a bug kill it! kill it!" the caterpillar is a potential butterfly but right now it's nothing good or in anyway considered a butterfly

Well like your butterfly concepts would you a child in a mother womb want someone to decide your life. I think it selfish to have an abortion when it is your fault. Now I agree that there are cases which it could be reasonable but I would go the adoption rout on that one. I can tell that your not a parent by what you said ask any mother or soon to be mother if they dont care about the child there carring. It not a parasit for if you look at it that way then you are a parasit aswell. I would rather look at it this way it a new life that has it own thought and feelings dont judge it. For they have done nothing wrong..

[Ardruire Iacób]

well at this point abortion is similar to removing a parasite like a tapeworm, all you do is leech life from your host(mother) although you may become a human at one time your only alive in the same way a tapeworm is alive, all you are is an ailment to the host(ask any mother if they enjoyed the painful parts of pregnancy) although most are fine with living with it you shouldn't need to live with a baby anymore than a parasitic organism.

Therefore all of humanity is just parasitic? What a disgusting and deeply disturbing analogy.

I'm opposed to abortion and in favour of environmentalism, as are many people I know.

[The Count(er)]

Therefore all of humanity is just parasitic? What a disgusting and deeply disturbing analogy.

Sorry, I just live in an area surrounded by absolutely terrible people, honestly their the worst possible people you could imagine, and it's simply because their parent's didn't care about them the grow up and end up being completely screwed up because their parents didn't want them in the first place, now if the parent could get rid of the kid they didn't want before having them grow like this the problem would certainly be cut down on.

[Ardruire Iacób]

Sorry, I just live in an area surrounded by absolutely terrible people, honestly their the worst possible people you could imagine

I know some pretty scummy people, and people whom I would consider pure evil. Still, I would not consider the prevention of their existence just cause for the sacrifice of innocents, or even a just cause cause in itself. Parasitic is only partially true (but still a poor choice of words), even the mentally handicapped can still contribute to society.

[chamaeleo]

Pro-lifers are typically religious, and lots of Christians are taught that God gave us the Earth to do with as we will...dominion gives you the right to slaughter all that stand before you, if that's how you'd like to interpret the Big Book.

Environmentalists are too busy trying to save everything that is already there, awaiting destruction, and cannot spare the time to consider the unborn when it is their parents who are driving the bulldozers.

[Vladimir Lenin]

I'm pro-choice and against enviormentalism.

Mainly because Scripture makes it abundantly clear that life (or humanity) begins after birth.