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    Default Iraqi Christians offered ultimatum: Convert or die

    BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- At least 900 Christian families have fled Mosul in the past week, terrified by a series of killings and threats by Muslim extremists ordering them to convert to Islam or face possible death, officials said Saturday.
    Christians protest in Mosul last month ahead of elections. An official says protests may have led to the attacks.







    The attacks may have been prompted by Christian demonstrations ahead of provincial elections, which are to be held by the end of January, the deputy governor of Nineveh province said.
    Deputy Gov. Khasro Goran said 13 Christians have been slain in the past two weeks inMosul, about 260 miles (420 kilometers) north of Baghdad. Fleeing Christians have sought refuge in monasteries and churches and with family members in other towns, an Interior Ministry official said.
    The attacks began after hundreds of Christians took to the streets in Mosul and surrounding villages and towns, seeking greater representation on provincial councils, whose members will be chosen in the local elections.
    Duraid Mohammed Kashmoula, Nineveh's governor, told The Associated Press that the exodus was "a major displacement."
    "Of course, al Qaeda elements are behind this campaign against Christians," Kashmoula told AP.
    The Interior Ministry official said the homes of three families were destroyed with explosives Saturday after the occupants left. No injuries were reported.
    A week ago, leaflets were distributed in several predominantly Christian neighborhoods, threatening families to "either convert to Islam or pay the jizyah or leave the city or face death," said the Interior Ministry official.
    Historically, jizyah is a tax paid by non-Muslims in exchange for protection.
    Goran said that a few days after the leaflets were passed out, gunmen set up checkpoints in parts of Mosul, stopping vehicles to inspect identification papers, searching for Christian names or other signs of religious affiliation. Many of the Christians killed were targeted in this way, he said.
    Bashir Azoz, 45, told AP he fled his Mosul home after gunmen warned a neighbor to leave or be killed.
    "Where is the government and its security forces as these crimes take place every day?" asked Azoz, a carpenter who is staying with his wife and three children in a town about 25 miles (40 kilometers) east of Mosul, according to AP.
    The Rev. Bolis Jacob, of Mosul's Mar Afram Church, told AP he couldn't understand the attacks.
    "We respect the Islamic religion and the Muslim clerics," he said. "We don't know under what religion's pretexts these terrorists work."
    Goran said police have set up security checkpoints in Christian neighborhoods.
    In response to the violence, Iraqi Defense Minister Abdul Qader al-Obaidi visited Mosul on Saturday morning, conducting meetings with local authorities and military commanders.
    His spokesman, Mohammed al-Askari, said that in addition to ordering more checkpoints in Christian neighborhoods, al-Obaidi ordered more troops deployed, additional security patrols and an increase in aerial surveillance of Christian areas.
    Al-Obaidi also ordered more guards for Christian clerics, al-Askari said.

    Source: Cnn

    So, what are your thoughts on this?
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    It's a real issue in Iraq. My sister's friends with a girl who has an Iraqi dad who fled the country for being a christian. And that was twenty years ago. I don't think it's a problem that can be solved overnight, unfortunately.

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    Default Re: Iraqi Christians offered ultimatum: Convert or die

    In 2005 or around then, I think half of the refugees fleeing Iraq as a result of the war were christian.

    An Armenian bishop from there recently visited the seminary near here: according to my friend he painted a sort of picture of constant terror.

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    This would have never happened with Uncle Saddam (RIP).




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    Default Re: Iraqi Christians offered ultimatum: Convert or die

    Quote Originally Posted by John I Tzimisces View Post
    In 2005 or around then, I think half of the refugees fleeing Iraq as a result of the war were christian.
    About 70-80% of them actually.

    It is a problem. Wherever there's relative anarchy, extremists group have even the time to print death threats on leaflets and distribute them.


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    Quote Originally Posted by John I Tzimisces View Post
    In 2005 or around then, I think half of the refugees fleeing Iraq as a result of the war were christian.
    I think what you meant was:

    Out of the millions of refugees, only a few thousand were adopted by America and the majority of THEM are Christians.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Erik View Post
    I think what you meant was:

    Out of the millions of refugees, only a few thousand were adopted by America and the majority of THEM are Christians.
    No...I am referring to Iraqi refugees stranded in Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, and Turkey as of 2005.

    To quote the wiki on Iraqi refugees, "Between October 2003 and March 2005 alone, 36% of 700,000 Iraqis who fled to Syria were Assyrians and other Christians, judging from a sample of those registering for asylum on political or religious grounds."

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    Default Re: Iraqi Christians offered ultimatum: Convert or die

    Persecution of Christians and others happens across the muslim world, and always has. I guess it's just easier for these people to do so in a screwed up country like Iraq.

    And yes, a huge proportion of Iraqi refugees are Christians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boofhead View Post
    Persecution of Christians and others happens across the muslim world, and always has. I guess it's just easier for these people to do so in a screwed up country like Iraq.
    Egyptian Muslim woman, baby killed by their Christian family.

    And I thought only Muslims killed their apostates!

    Quote Originally Posted by Heinz Guderian View Post
    but...but the WMDs...look, seriously whats more important: the lives of thousands and thousands of Christians who have been living in Iraq since the birth of Christianity or finding those elusive WMDs? C'mon man, what happened to the Greater Good?
    I will win the argument by quoting the following tear-invoking, flag-saluting phrases and words:

    Freedom

    Democracy

    Elections

    Women's rights

    Freedom

    Greatness

    Magnificence

    Democracy

    Voting


    So yeah, you're right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sextus Loverlord View Post
    Egyptian Muslim woman, baby killed by their Christian family.

    And I thought only Muslims killed their apostates!
    99.999% of apostate killings are by muslims. Source: common sense, history, dogma, and the thousands of incidents involving this backward and savage practice among certain muslims as opposed to....well...anyone else, really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boofhead View Post
    99.999% of apostate killings are by muslims. Source: common sense, history, dogma, and the thousands of incidents involving this backward and savage practice among certain muslims as opposed to....well...anyone else, really.
    True. The Muslim religous fanaics are the worst of all the religous fanatics, and the most hypocritical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boofhead View Post
    99.999% of apostate killings are by muslims. Source: common sense, history, dogma, and the thousands of incidents involving this backward and savage practice among certain muslims as opposed to....well...anyone else, really.


    u and ur white-european-christian elitism.......
    my grandmother's mom was a Muslim and when she married my grandma's father who was a Buddhist they didnt kill her...

    Quote Originally Posted by ЯoMe kb8 View Post
    I just posted a picture of Saddam's best friend and right hand man...a Christian. The Prime Minister of Iraq...What did the Baathist party do again to all those Muslims, Kurds and Iranians?



    As for your 2nd/3rd class citizens...he was Prime Minister...something a western country would rather burn their capital to the ground then accept a Muzzie PM.
    I agree, I'm totally on your side
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pivra View Post
    u and ur white-european-christian elitism.......
    my grandmother's mom was a Muslim and when she married my grandma's father who was a Buddhist they didnt kill her...
    Piv, another fact you don't like? It's true.

    Only a very small minority of muslims commit apostate killings, and yet they commit almost all of them.

    What have I said that is white, European, or elitist?

    I have just stated a known fact.

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    Default Re: Iraqi Christians offered ultimatum: Convert or die

    How big of a problem is persecution of Iraqi Christians by Iraqi Muslims compared to persecution of Iraqi Shi'ites by Iraqi Sunnis and vice versa?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bovril View Post
    How big of a problem is persecution of Iraqi Christians by Iraqi Muslims compared to persecution of Iraqi Shi'ites by Iraqi Sunnis and vice versa?
    It's Iraq, they will kill you if have the wrong name.

    Ethnic cleansing is an epidemic in Iraq.
    Last edited by Burnum; October 11, 2008 at 07:54 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bovril View Post
    How big of a problem is persecution of Iraqi Christians by Iraqi Muslims compared to persecution of Iraqi Shi'ites by Iraqi Sunnis and vice versa?
    It's hard to compare when you realize that Iraqi Christians are 5% of the population as opposed to the two main chunks of the population. In the case of the christians it's less a conflict and more their inevitable absolute destruction if nothing is done.

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    Why is everyone blaming the Americans? Democracy can be a difficult thing to get right.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Heinz Guderian View Post
    Why is everyone blaming the Americans? Democracy can be a difficult thing to get right.
    Well, they're not. But if they were they might point out that if you get rid of a system on the grounds that its hurting the people within it, it's you responsibility to put something better in its place. And if that thing is democracy then you ought to be sure that if the majority of people in that country don't want you there, you get right on out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bovril View Post
    Well, they're not. But if they were they might point out that if you get rid of a system on the grounds that its hurting the people within it, it's you responsibility to put something better in its place. And if that thing is democracy then you ought to be sure that if the majority of people in that country don't want you there, you get right on out.
    but the WMDs....and stuff....45 minutes...Niger Yellow Cake....freedom..yes freedom and stuff like that. To save Iraq we had to destroy it. They had to be destroyed because of their aggressive manouvering towards us and the clear and present danger they presented to our wimminz and childrens here in the UK and anytown USA.

    Now if that means the Iraqi Christians (who've been there for like since the time of John the Baptist) get wtfpwned, thats something as a supporter of President Bush, i am willing to accept.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Bovril View Post
    How big of a problem is persecution of Iraqi Christians by Iraqi Muslims compared to persecution of Iraqi Shi'ites by Iraqi Sunnis and vice versa?
    It's a bigger problem, because they cannot fight back, and being them infidels offered conversion, nobody will help them.

    Poor walking corpses.

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