I just saw a documentary that disturbed the hell out of me..

[Osceola]

Before I start off, I'm not a conspiracy theorists. I make fun of Zeitgeist, 9/11 Conspiracy theorists, all that happy all the time but this one in particular.. scared the out of me.

It's by that possibly half crazy guy, Alex Jones.

"Endgame: The Road to Global Enslavement"

I don't know how to completely describe it but the problem is.. it's not about 9/11 conspiracy theories, or reptilians or Bohemian Groves, and it was just so hard to disprove in my head. Even though I have no evidence really to believe him by, I can't get what he was saying out of my head.

There was some seriously creepy stuff going on in there, the idea that Eugenics is not a dead pseudo-science, and could be brought back in some way. The global implementation of a policy similar to China's 1 child policy, and a world where the state more or less raises the child.

"Population control" especially like what that Henry Kissinger piece of (who I hope is burned alive some day) was quoting things like "a 95 percent decrease in population." and "never reaching above 350 million people."

They go on to talk about world ID cards, which personally revolts me, and I will refuse to have one. I just don't agree with it, and the fact RFID is not even being put up for a ing vote here, drives me insane.

Then the more immediate stuff like a possible North American Union, which apparently several newspapers (in Canada especially) and several respected media journalists, have talked about. They showed a clip of all 3 presidents, Fox, Bush and Martin having a little speech, discussing it, a few protesters came out to ask why this wasn't being voted on by the people, and boom whisked away off stage like nothing ever happened. Maybe that happens with all political protests I don't know. But the more I look at it, the creepier this NAU becomes, and the more possible it's existence seems.

All the stuff about Western governments openly admitting to testing chemical and biological weapons on un-willing and un-aware citizens also greatly disturbed me, though this seems to be a topic of it's own and not directly related to any of this New World Order what have you, that I keep hearing thrown around.

All in all, the documentary just .. half of me wants to laugh it off and say this guy is a lunatic, the other half of me however just can't get all of what he says out of my head. There is some seriously disturbing in there.

I hope theres a Debunker's Toolkit out there for this one, as well as Zeitgeist. This one is a helluva lot more detailed, and less crazy then Zeitgeist though.

Am I going crazy?

[Domnul Ceaşcă]

They go on to talk about world ID cards, which personally revolts me, and I will refuse to have one. I just don't agree with it, and the fact RFID is not even being put up for a ing vote here, drives me insane.

Me too. I would never accept a RFID or anything of the like especially without even debating and voting about it.

Then the more immediate stuff like a possible North American Union, which apparently several newspapers (in Canada especially) and several respected media journalists, have talked about. They showed a clip of all 3 presidents, Fox, Bush and Martin having a little speech, discussing it, a few protesters came out to ask why this wasn't being voted on by the people, and boom whisked away off stage like nothing ever happened. Maybe that happens with all political protests I don't know. But the more I look at it, the creepier this NAU becomes, and the more possible it's existence seems.

The NHO will happen at some point.

All the stuff about Western governments openly admitting to testing chemical and biological weapons on un-willing and un-aware citizens

That`s scary and very possible.

[Playfishpaste]

Alex Jones is POSSIBLY crazy?

But the general point is slightly plausible, but we all knew that already, that the united states government is a corrupt capitalistic machine that holds to the interests of the few (whoa, big surprise). All the other babble in there he simply makes with speculation or a complete lack of referencing.

[Heathen Hammer]

Stuff like that is pretty obvious. Government consists of people just like you and me.. And they might just care about themselves much more than they care about us. I don't believe there are some kind of evilHitlerSatanworshippingsecretorganisations. Just a bunch of rich folks, who want to remain in wealth for as long as they can.
I personally would never accept any such thing as RFID.

[The Dude]

The thing with conspiracy theories is that, there's not a whole lot to get genuinely upset about, unless you're particularly naieve.

With so many people involved in high end politics and finances world wide, who'd expect there to NOT be dirty deals going on for the purposes of individuals with power.

The only thing someone with power really fears is to lose it. Getting power and keeping it is something that lies at the very core of us as a race. So it's easy to imagine the dirty games being played by top government officials to fulfill their own agendas.

Should anyone be surprised that appalling things are happening in that echelon of society? IMO, not really. There's no reason to go all "BUT OMG TEH GOVERNMENT IS BETRAYING TEH PEOPLEZ".

I personally rather pity people who involve themselves in conspiracies for personal gain. To me it seems like a whole lot of pointless effort. But then again I'm an outsider. I watch that discovery documentary about football hooliganism. I see guys at the head of big "Firms" controlling their local club by force and acting almost as an emperor of sorts to their followers. This blind obedience is something almost orgasmic to them. And then to watch them boast to the camera about how they are the real bosses of the football club. How they are really the ones in charge. And to see the people behind them cheering.

And then I think, well good for you. You're a total buttwipe and you're the unofficial boss of some backwater football club. I couldn't give a toss. But he does. It's a big deal to him, and that's all there is to it. Conspiring government officials are really no different.

[Chaigidel]

I can only hope humanity is organized and motivated enough to pull off this sort of thing---- but I doubt it is

[PacSubCom]

Well there always is the Faraday cage.

[Da Skinna]

As the world gets smaller, so too must its factions.

I hate to bring it up, but Orwell's factions in 1984 would probably be the closest, with regions forming giant alliances.

[Maverick]

Is this alarmist? People want life, personal liberty and the pursuit of happiness. An undemocratic regime could satisfy the needs of almost half the eligible American public who don't vote.

I don't think any encroaches on civic liberty are going to rouse the rabble unless they interfere with TV reception or something.

So while the RFID may meet with a lot of opposition, the North American Union may not. Gandhi said that good government is no substitute for self-government and I don't have to tell you that the overwhelming majority of people think nothing like Gandhi.

I hate to bring it up, but Orwell's factions in 1984 would probably be the closest, with regions forming giant alliances.

In a way, though you have to wonder how the second act of the 20th century would have informed his worst-case scenario vision of the future, say 2034.

[Justice and Mercy]

It's not as frightening as you think, but it's still evil, and should be fought.

[Tajir]

When we begin to label everything as conspiracy, we are downplaying any truth or value that the message might possess.

I will watch this tonight, and I hope I enjoy it as much as I enjoyed Zeitgeist.

This documentary, judging from the trailer, seems WAY more fictional than Zeitgeist. I do believe in the whole one-world government thing and the new world order, its quite obvious really. But I only believe its as old as the industrial revolution, I doubt its been around as long as the Roman times.

But, I'll reserve judgment until I watch it.

[dwringer]

I'm pretty sure that they make wallets that isolate your RFID chip so that it cannot be picked up by anything, so it's really no different from carrying your social security card around with you. Potentially a bad idea? Yeah, I guess so. I agree that it shouldn't be adopted, and without a vote it's just awful.

I'd probably accept it if it passed in a vote, though. I'll be sure to get a lead lined wallet though, that's for damn sure.

[Musashi]

First of all it does seem like a conspirasy theory to me. I have not seen the document but what you are describing seems bretty farfetched.

Second. I personally don't see the bad things in unification of nations. Yes I understand you don't like about the sence of loosing your independence but why does it have to be about loosing independence?
Isn't the unified peacefull world everyones dream? Or do we need to have atleast one enemy?

Also population control in some sence have to be the reality that we as a humanrace have to deal in some point or a nother.
We allready are destroying our own world and causing our own extinction by multiplying and eating everything like canser.

Only thing that really disturbes me is that claim of biological weapons used on own citisence. Better yet it disturbs to hear if they are used at all.

[Tajir]

First of all it does seem like a conspirasy theory to me. I have not seen the document but what you are describing seems bretty farfetched.

Second. I personally don't see the bad things in unification of nations. Yes I understand you don't like about the sence of loosing your independence but why does it have to be about loosing independence?
Isn't the unified peacefull world everyones dream? Or do we need to have atleast one enemy?

People are generally power-hungry. Its human nature. If a figure like Pol Pot rose to power, the entire world would be screwed. Where would we escape from this beast?

That's your biggest problem. If the crap hits the fan, there will be NO escape. Being divided is sort of a good thing.

[Da Skinna]

Some people want one-world government for their own interests.

Others for the interests of all.

[The Good]

I dislike the concept of a North American Union, it would eventually undermine the sovereign authority of the United States, which is arguably already a "union" of many states. If the government at some point decrees that RFID chips are required, I won't accept it either. I hate the thought of a foreign metal object being inserted in my body (probably arm). That aside, there are many Christians who would consider such a thing the "Mark of the Beast," described in the book of Revelation.

[Sphere]

You seem to over-estimate government. They cant even get amtrak to work, much less a world wide eugenics program

[Copperknickers II]

"Population control" especially like what that Henry Kissinger piece of (who I hope is burned alive some day) was quoting things like "a 95 percent decrease in population." and "never reaching above 350 million people."

They go on to talk about world ID cards, which personally revolts me, and I will refuse to have one. I just don't agree with it, and the fact RFID is not even being put up for a ing vote here, drives me insane.

Well it was nice knowing you my friend.

In other words, anyone with the power to implement such a scheme would not be too fussed about what you thought of their idea, it is you he wants to eradicate from the face of the earth anyway.

I would accept eugenics, an die for my species, if the need arose, and it is arising all around me as i speak.

[roy34543]

Well it was nice knowing you my friend.

In other words, anyone with the power to implement such a scheme would not be too fussed about what you thought of their idea, it is you he wants to eradicate from the face of the earth anyway.

I would accept eugenics, an die for my species, if the need arose, and it is arising all around me as i speak.

There literally is no point to eugenics.You dont read enough science-fiction.
If you were to create a bastion of intellegent people that would eventually perfect the world (or make it very near perfect) It would automatically lead to a lack of any intellegence being required which would lead to everyone becoming an idiot eventually which would wreck the world again, In which case intellegence would once again become an advantage restarting the whole cycle.

[Copperknickers II]

"You dont read enough science-fiction."

I dont read any science fiction, it is fantasical and delusional.

"If you were to create a bastion of intellegent people that would eventually perfect the world (or make it very near perfect) It would automatically lead to a lack of any intellegence being required which would lead to everyone becoming an idiot eventually which would wreck the world again, In which case intellegence would once again become an advantage restarting the whole cycle."

It is impossible to create a bastion of intelligent people through any conceivable method (what does 'bastion of intelligent people' even mean? It is a nonsensical point until you explain it further).