Cindy McCain on Post Traumatic Stess Disorder

[TestudoAubreii]

Here is the link:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/10/10/0744/7493

I personally find that despicable and insulting, as a disabled veteran myself. I remember hearing something about IED’s don’t discriminate when I was in the desert. I don’t know, but I know that what she said kind of takes away all that fight that determined PTSD to be a real condition and not only true for 18 year old who are not properly trained. McCain finished 5th from the bottom of his class, so I guess he wasn’t too far from those untrained grunts. Maybe he just had enough naval officer training (states with tongue firmly planted in cheek), so he couldn’t succumb to PTSD.
I know John McCain didn’t say it, but McCain doesn’t have a great record when it comes to voting for V.A. benefits (link: http://www.veteransforcommonsense.or...rticle&ID=9559) and it makes me wonder if he shares the same views as his wife. Now that sends a cold chill down my spine.

morrisonicus

[Nietzsche]

Your comments on McCain are appropriate after reading that summary of his voting record. Although, to my knowledge, he did vote in support of the latest GI Bill. Of course, it was also an election year coming up. I never realized the extend of his opposition with regard to the support of veterans. As a vet himself, I find that unconscionable.

As for the statements by his wife, I think you are being a little too much of an attack dog. I don't think she was belittling or dismissing PTSD as much as elevating her husband. While her choice of words is definitely poor, it merely displays the elitist attitude most officers have with respect to the enlisted corp. Something I am quite familiar with. I see her remarks as being more unfortunate and undiplomatic, than malicious.

[TestudoAubreii]

I agree with the enlisted/ officer elitist attitude. Anyone who has been in the service knows about that. I don't know, I believe that it was probably ignorance talking, but it still rubbed me the wrong way. I mean I picture the Mr. & Mrs. sitting around talking and John telling her that he was trained not to get PTSD. She had to get that idea from somewhere.

[morteduzionism]

I mean I picture the Mr. & Mrs. sitting around talking and John telling her that he was trained not to get PTSD. She had to get that idea from somewhere.

It sounds like some BS a man would say to a partially intelligent woman to make himself seem tougher...

[TestudoAubreii]

It sounds like some BS a man would say to a partially intelligent woman to make himself seem tougher...

I had to laugh at that, that's funny...but true.

[morteduzionism]

Now that sends a cold chill down my spine.
morrisonicus

It's this comment that I find most disingenuous in referring to Obama not voting for a bill that included funding for troops because the bill didn't have a timetable...

So how did she feel when her husband didn't vote for a similiar bill that did have a timetable?

It seems like every minute the McCain/Palin finds a new way to sink lower.

[TestudoAubreii]

It's this comment that I find most disingenuous in referring to Obama not voting for a bill that included funding for troops because the bill didn't have a timetable...

So how did she feel when her husband didn't vote for a similiar bill that did have a timetable?

It seems like every minute the McCain/Palin finds a new way to sink lower.

100% agree. I guess everyone in the McCain family forgot about that.

[Markas]

Perhaps it was a misguided attempt to make her husband not seem 'weak'. Anyhow, wasn't McCain just pressing buttons from hundreds of feet in the air before spending the rest of his time in a cell? Hardly the sustained terror the ground-pounder faced, I should think.

[Gaidin]

I present for your consideration, the reason why Obama doesn't have to directly play dirty with McCain. His own wife does the job for us.

[TestudoAubreii]

That's right, Palin just picked up a pal in Cindy. They can play dirty all they want, while McCain can talk to his "friends."

[Mikelus Trento]

That's right, Palin just picked up a pal in Cindy. They can play dirty all they want, while McCain can talk to his "friends."

So manly.

[Каие]

So...any ways...a bit of catch 22 this year for the USA. You can have either Palin/Cindy or Michelle. America haters, clueless and a bit weird.

[Samuel Adams]

To me it sounds like she's ignorant. As a serviceman myself, I saw a lot of friends go through PTSD upon their homecoming. They couldn't work on their old cars, because backfire made them pull a non-existent M4 to the ready; they could no longer go to packed malls or markets for fear of flashbacks of crowded Iraqi streets, where bombs would go off daily, things like that. Driving, boxes and trash on roadsides would set them off.

This was officers, NCO's, and enlisted. While I'm an anti-war advocate now, I am firmly of the belief that American servicepeople should be well taken care of on their return home from war zones.

We are led to believe that the leadership of our nation cares about the soldiers. We are told to 'support the troops' no matter what, and this in turn leads us into a mess where we can be black-labeled as soldier haters if we are anti-war. Yet our leadership is content with using American Servicemen and women as bomb fodder to further their own gains; how long did it take to get our troops armor? In my hometown we were raising money to donate body armor at $1200 a pop, sending if I recall 100 suits overseas; at $120,000 this was a huge donation, and yet we only suited up a hundred soldiers with what the government should have been providing them with the tax dollars we already had paid!

The despicable treatment of soldiers by the VA at home was another example of how well these leaders think of the common soldier. Yet when it broke news, it was frantic finger pointing to everyone, anyone, other than number 1.

My biggest peeve is the people that are on one hand saying that PTSD is terrible and soldiers should be treated for it; I agree- then they turn around and say that anyone with a mental disability is not allowed to ever again own a firearm. What is the meaning of this? It is all good in theory, sure, until you realize they are systematically breaking down the ability of the American People to have a well armed and regulated militia, by first cutting out anyone trained and capable of resisting government. For it is very clear that we were intended the reservation of the right to arm ourselves not only to protect our persons against criminals, or foreign enemies, but So that Government would never overstep her bounds.

Not to hijack the thread, but it angers me to see that one candidate's wife is minimizing, without reproach from her husband, soldiers' scars of war that her husband so lightly threw them at, and on another hand the candidate will probably create a dismal military lifestyle for our servicemen and women, not to mention the probable disarmament of the American People.

I swore and Oath upon enlisting. It was to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and Domestic. To me the only domestic enemies are not the ones burning flags as per their right to freedom of speech and expression, but the ones in the white house today, and probably tomorrow. They are the tyrants we were warned about, in the small and the large.

[Каие]

I swore and Oath upon enlisting. It was to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and Domestic. To me the only domestic enemies are not the ones burning flags as per their right to freedom of speech and expression, but the ones in the white house today, and probably tomorrow. They are the tyrants we were warned about, in the small and the large.

That's revolution talk.

[Gaidin]

*snip*

I'm not sure what PTSD really has to do with you strawmanning your oath as enlisted, much less the 2nd ammendment, into this discussion. But uhh...whatever.

[Samuel Adams]

I'm not sure what PTSD really has to do with you strawmanning your oath as enlisted, much less the 2nd ammendment, into this discussion. But uhh...whatever.

Because it's all inter-related.


@ ЯoMe kb8:

So it may seem.

[Gaidin]

Because it's all inter-related.


@ ЯoMe kb8:

So it may seem.

And everybody's within six generations of Kevin Bacon's line. That doesn't mean he's relevant to our family trees.

[Каие]

@ ЯoMe kb8: So it may seem.

Now I'm suspicious...

[Samuel Adams]

Now I'm suspicious...

Of me being a revolutionary?

No, I'm an idealist, government evolutionary advocate, that is only 'revolutionary' when necessity demands. I prefer the peaceful solutions of a well maintained republic.

[Viking Prince]

This can simply be the DailyKos being the DailyKos. I would always be suspect of edited material that is meant to attack and not explain. Much ado about nothing. Post the article in it's entirity or ignore this as an issue.