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    Background: the First Brigade of the Third Infantry Division, three to four thousand soldiers, has been deployed in the United States as of October 1.
    Their stated mission is the form of crowd control they practiced in Iraq, subduing "unruly individuals," and the management of a national emergency.
    George Bush struck down Posse Comitatus, thus making it legal for military to patrol the U.S. He has also legally established that in the "War on Terror," the U.S. is at war around the globe and thus the whole world is a battlefield. Thus the U.S. is also a battlefield.

    U.S. Rep. Brad Sherman of California said to Congress, captured on C-Span and viewable on YouTube, that individual members of the House were threatened with martial law within a week if they did not pass the bailout bill:
    "The only way they can pass this bill is by creating and sustaining a panic atmosphere. … Many of us were told in private conversations that if we voted against this bill on Monday that the sky would fall, the market would drop two or three thousand points the first day and a couple of thousand on the second day, and a few members were even told that there would be martial law in America if we voted no."



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    He also led change to the 1807 Insurrection Act to give him far broader powers in the event of a loosely defined "insurrection" or many other "conditions" he has the power to identify. The Constitution allows the suspension of habeas corpus -- habeas corpus prevents us from being seized by the state and held without trial -- in the event of an "insurrection." With his own army force now, his power to call a group of protesters or angry voters "insurgents" staging an "insurrection" is strengthened.
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    The 3rd Infantry Division’s 1st Brigade Combat Team has spent 35 of the last 60 months in Iraq patrolling in full battle rattle, helping restore essential services and escorting supply convoys.

    Now they’re training for the same mission — with a twist — at home.


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    "called upon to help with civil unrest and crowd control "

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    “the first ever nonlethal package that the Army has fielded,” 1st BCT commander Col. Roger Cloutier said, referring to crowd and traffic control equipment and nonlethal weapons designed to subdue unruly or dangerous individuals without killing them.

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    The package includes equipment to stand up a hasty road block; spike strips for slowing, stopping or controlling traffic; shields and batons; and, beanbag bullets.

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    the force will be known for the next year as a CBRNE Consequence Management Response Force, or CCMRF

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    http://www.militarytimes.com/forum/s....php?t=1568518
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    please...
    i want to see the day bush gets of the president chair...
    im tired of his bullcrap !!!!!!!!$%$*&^%(%^(&*

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    Quote Originally Posted by eddy_purpus View Post
    please...
    i want to see the day bush gets of the president chair...
    im tired of his bullcrap !!!!!!!!$%$*&^%(%^(&*
    And the next guy will do a far better job? I can't wait to see what Obama accomplishes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malnutrition View Post
    And the next guy will do a far better job?
    it'd be near impossible not to
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    Quote Originally Posted by Last Roman View Post
    it'd be near impossible not to
    Well the way people are making it out to be, he's going to solve all the problems. Can't wait to see if he does or not

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc1/69 on millitarytimes.com

    I am speaking as an Iraq war vet.
    An infantry medic and career soldier. No one could possibly support the troops more than I have and do. I appreciate the position you are in, considering that your husband is a member of this unit, but what concerns me is you automatically assume that any of these comments were an attack on your husband or the soldiers in the 1st BCT. The reality couldn't be further from that.
    My concern and the concern of many others out there is that from the looks of this, the President and/or DOD are committing an illegal act. We already have a force structure in place to deal with natural and man made disasters: the National Guard and we already have a force structure in place to legally deal with civil unrest: the police.

    This nation was founded at a time where the ruling executive used troops based in the States to police, coerce, and terrorize the people and politicians into submission. There are specific sections and amendments to the Constitution that ban exactly what is happening for exactly that reason. It is a slippery slope my friend. And one, that once "slid-down," requires great work and blood to correct.

    Every uniformed service member takes an oath to the Constitution first, and the President second to defend this country, its citizens, and perhaps most importantly its ideals.

    What you husband is doing, as with all the soldiers in the 1st BCT, is commendable from a service standpoint and he is obviously following orders with honor and integrity I'm sure. The great concern is, will he and his fellow soldiers - will all of us - have the moral courage to stand up and say: "This is not right, it is illegal, and it goes against the very fibers of our democratic society."

    In all seriousness, please go read the Constitution (every word), all amendments (including the Bill of Rights, and the Declaration of Independence. If you still feel that the comments on this board are out of line, then I really don't know what to tell you.

    God Bless America and Support the Troops

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malnutrition View Post
    And the next guy will do a far better job? I can't wait to see what Obama accomplishes.
    idk...
    hopefully , Obama will get elected ...
    and change will come for us ...
    Mcain is just like electing Bush for another 4 therms...
    i mean !!
    LOOK AT HOW MCAIN SPEAKs !
    he is McBush
    were doomed.....

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    and some people still think Bush isn't all that bad
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    Bush is just showing how much he and Cheney need to be impeached.
    according to exarch I am like
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    sure, the way fred phelps finds christianity too optimistic?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiljan Arslan View Post
    Bush is just showing how much he and Cheney need to be impeached.
    i think you misspelt "impaled"

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    Default Re: Thousands of Troops on U.S. Streets ready for "Crowd Control"

    many of your rights are already gone



    you think they wouldnt try it?

    suggested veiwing:

    http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=9434E6E44EC79D48

    If you think troops being deployed on your own soil, on call to take on civil unrest and go house to house taking guns.
    is 'short term'.

    read this from the article on millitary times.
    one of the lines i "ommited" as some claim

    After 1st BCT finishes its dwell-time mission, expectations are that another, as yet unnamed, active-duty brigade will take over and that the mission will be a permanent one.

    “Right now, the response force requirement will be an enduring mission. How the [Defense Department] chooses to source that and whether or not they continue to assign them to NorthCom, that could change in the future,” said Army Col. Louis Vogler, chief of NorthCom future operations. “Now, the plan is to assign a force every year.”
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    People who say that are ing idiots.
    according to exarch I am like
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    Default Re: Thousands of Troops on U.S. Streets ready for "Crowd Control"

    Beginning Oct. 1 for 12 months, the 1st BCT will be under the day-to-day control of U.S. Army North, the Army service component of Northern Command, as an on-call federal response force for natural or manmade emergencies and disasters, including terrorist attacks.
    Finally an emergency response system that will work!

    “I can’t think of a more noble mission than this,” said Cloutier, who took command in July. “We’ve been all over the world during this time of conflict, but now our mission is to take care of citizens at home ... and depending on where an event occurred, you’re going home to take care of your home town, your loved ones.”
    That's touching

    They may be called upon to help with civil unrest and crowd control
    say again?! :hmmm:

    soldiers also will learn how to use “the first ever nonlethal package that the Army has fielded, referring to crowd and traffic control equipment
    Posse comitatus act........ who thinks that there should be an active military police unit within the United States under the direct control of the President?!

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    I don't!
    according to exarch I am like
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    Thanks Fred for the selective editing!

    If you actually read the whole articles things aer a lot less sinister.

    The 3rd Infantry Division’s 1st Brigade Combat Team has spent 35 of the last 60 months in Iraq patrolling in full battle rattle, helping restore essential services and escorting supply convoys.

    Now they’re training for the same mission — with a twist — at home.

    Beginning Oct. 1 for 12 months, the 1st BCT will be under the day-to-day control of U.S. Army North, the Army service component of Northern Command, as an on-call federal response force for natural or manmade emergencies and disasters, including terrorist attacks.

    It is not the first time an active-duty unit has been tapped to help at home. In August 2005, for example, when Hurricane Katrina unleashed hell in Mississippi and Louisiana, several active-duty units were pulled from various posts and mobilized to those areas.

    But this new mission marks the first time an active unit has been given a dedicated assignment to NorthCom, a joint command established in 2002 to provide command and control for federal homeland defense efforts and coordinate defense support of civil authorities.

    After 1st BCT finishes its dwell-time mission, expectations are that another, as yet unnamed, active-duty brigade will take over and that the mission will be a permanent one.

    “Right now, the response force requirement will be an enduring mission. How the [Defense Department] chooses to source that and whether or not they continue to assign them to NorthCom, that could change in the future,” said Army Col. Louis Vogler, chief of NorthCom future operations. “Now, the plan is to assign a force every year.”

    The command is at Peterson Air Force Base in Colorado Springs, Colo., but the soldiers with 1st BCT, who returned in April after 15 months in Iraq, will operate out of their home post at Fort Stewart, Ga., where they’ll be able to go to school, spend time with their families and train for their new homeland mission as well as the counterinsurgency mission in the war zones.

    Stop-loss will not be in effect, so soldiers will be able to leave the Army or move to new assignments during the mission, and the operational tempo will be variable.

    Don’t look for any extra time off, though. The at-home mission does not take the place of scheduled combat-zone deployments and will take place during the so-called dwell time a unit gets to reset and regenerate after a deployment.

    The 1st of the 3rd is still scheduled to deploy to either Iraq or Afghanistan in early 2010, which means the soldiers will have been home a minimum of 20 months by the time they ship out.

    In the meantime, they’ll learn new skills, use some of the ones they acquired in the war zone and more than likely will not be shot at while doing any of it.

    They may be called upon to help with civil unrest and crowd control or to deal with potentially horrific scenarios such as massive poisoning and chaos in response to a chemical, biological, radiological, nuclear or high-yield explosive, or CBRNE, attack.

    Training for homeland scenarios has already begun at Fort Stewart and includes specialty tasks such as knowing how to use the “jaws of life” to extract a person from a mangled vehicle; extra medical training for a CBRNE incident; and working with U.S. Forestry Service experts on how to go in with chainsaws and cut and clear trees to clear a road or area.

    The 1st BCT’s soldiers also will learn how to use “the first ever nonlethal package that the Army has fielded,” 1st BCT commander Col. Roger Cloutier said, referring to crowd and traffic control equipment and nonlethal weapons designed to subdue unruly or dangerous individuals without killing them.

    “It’s a new modular package of nonlethal capabilities that they’re fielding. They’ve been using pieces of it in Iraq, but this is the first time that these modules were consolidated and this package fielded, and because of this mission we’re undertaking we were the first to get it.”

    The package includes equipment to stand up a hasty road block; spike strips for slowing, stopping or controlling traffic; shields and batons; and, beanbag bullets.

    “I was the first guy in the brigade to get Tasered,” said Cloutier, describing the experience as “your worst muscle cramp ever — times 10 throughout your whole body.

    “I’m not a small guy, I weigh 230 pounds ... it put me on my knees in seconds.”

    The brigade will not change its name, but the force will be known for the next year as a CBRNE Consequence Management Response Force, or CCMRF (pronounced “sea-smurf”).

    “I can’t think of a more noble mission than this,” said Cloutier, who took command in July. “We’ve been all over the world during this time of conflict, but now our mission is to take care of citizens at home ... and depending on where an event occurred, you’re going home to take care of your home town, your loved ones.”

    While soldiers’ combat training is applicable, he said, some nuances don’t apply.

    “If we go in, we’re going in to help American citizens on American soil, to save lives, provide critical life support, help clear debris, restore normalcy and support whatever local agencies need us to do, so it’s kind of a different role,” said Cloutier, who, as the division operations officer on the last rotation, learned of the homeland mission a few months ago while they were still in Iraq.

    Some brigade elements will be on call around the clock, during which time they’ll do their regular marksmanship, gunnery and other deployment training. That’s because the unit will continue to train and reset for the next deployment, even as it serves in its CCMRF mission.

    Should personnel be needed at an earthquake in California, for example, all or part of the brigade could be scrambled there, depending on the extent of the need and the specialties involved.

    Other branches included
    The active Army’s new dwell-time mission is part of a NorthCom and DOD response package.

    Active-duty soldiers will be part of a force that includes elements from other military branches and dedicated National Guard Weapons of Mass Destruction-Civil Support Teams.

    A final mission rehearsal exercise is scheduled for mid-September at Fort Stewart and will be run by Joint Task Force Civil Support, a unit based out of Fort Monroe, Va., that will coordinate and evaluate the interservice event.

    In addition to 1st BCT, other Army units will take part in the two-week training exercise, including elements of the 1st Medical Brigade out of Fort Hood, Texas, and the 82nd Combat Aviation Brigade from Fort Bragg, N.C.

    There also will be Air Force engineer and medical units, the Marine Corps Chemical, Biological Initial Reaction Force, a Navy weather team and members of the Defense Logistics Agency and the Defense Threat Reduction Agency.

    One of the things Vogler said they’ll be looking at is communications capabilities between the services.

    “It is a concern, and we’re trying to check that and one of the ways we do that is by having these sorts of exercises. Leading up to this, we are going to rehearse and set up some of the communications systems to make sure we have interoperability,” he said.

    “I don’t know what America’s overall plan is — I just know that 24 hours a day, seven days a week, there are soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines that are standing by to come and help if they’re called,” Cloutier said. “It makes me feel good as an American to know that my country has dedicated a force to come in and help the people at home.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big War Bird View Post
    Thanks Fred for the selective editing!

    If you actually read the whole articles things aer a lot less sinister.
    If i posted the whole article, why bother linking to it.

    thats been a policy here for a long time.
    Dont post whole articles.

    Key pointing. yes. yes i did.
    I did not 'make up' the key points. i did not change the text.
    and i gave a direct link. to BOTH. you'll notice there were two completely different articles from different sites.
    so you can indeed read the whole thing in full as and when you wish.

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    He is right your selective quoting is off base in trying to get something more out of it then is really there....of course its the mudpit and its not much of a suprise but still rather tacky.

    During Katrina people were screaming "why is the military/guard in Iraq they could be here helping!" fast forward to this and "here comes fascism!". Amusing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by danzig View Post
    During Katrina people were screaming "why is the military/guard in Iraq they could be here helping!" fast forward to this and "here comes fascism!". Amusing.
    they were going house to house taking guns after katrina..


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigfootedfred View Post
    they were going house to house taking guns after katrina..

    un huh

    Half the households in America have guns, so say 100 million.

    vs.

    The most powerful military ever....tired perhaps, but armored up and powerful.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigfootedfred View Post
    If i posted the whole article, why bother linking to it.

    thats been a policy here for a long time.
    Dont post whole articles.

    Key pointing. yes. yes i did.
    I did not 'make up' the key points. i did not change the text.
    and i gave a direct link. to BOTH. you'll notice there were two completely different articles from different sites.
    so you can indeed read the whole thing in full as and when you wish.
    You certainly changes the context.

    Lets see you posted:

    "called upon to help with civil unrest and crowd control "

    when the whole sentence was:

    "They may be called upon to help with civil unrest and crowd control or to deal with potentially horrific scenarios such as massive poisoning and chaos in response to a chemical, biological, radiological, nuclear or high-yield explosive, or CBRNE, attack."

    In any case there is nothing remotely illegal about using the military in this way. The Posse Comitatus Act forbids the military from being used in for ordinary law enforcement duty. Obviously the above cisrcumstances would be extraordinary circumstances and would fall within the guidelines for use of the military within the USA.
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