CHALENGE to all the Zionist

[KING OF TWC!]

Ok, theres constantly this huge racist feeling on this boards to Muslims and Arabs.

Everyone always say they hate Westren countries because there free or blah blah blah.


So If this were true, and when Arabs commit terrorist attacks, or even form "terrorist" Organizations like Hezbollah, they do so to impede Westren success with democracy or economy then surely there would be Terrorist organizations before Westren involvment correct? And it has nothing to do with our forign policy right?

SO heres the challenge


IF ANYONE CAN GIVE ME A SINGLE TERRORIST ATTACK COMMITED BY ARABS ON A THE WEST BEFORE THE SYKES-PICOT AGREEMENT

I will revoke my views on Hezbollah or Middle Eastren politics in General and support Israel from that point on.

[Their Law]

While i agree in principal to what your implying (the inherent racism that' is growing in the west). I will say that the people of Palestine and other Muslim countries are not putting across a good impression of themselves to be honest. You expect westerners to be a little paranoid when an artist draws a image of Muhammad (which i recall is not actual against the Koran but i am willing to be corrected on this) and then gets killed by a pack of angry Muslims in Denmark.

Secondly i feel that even though this is a blatant attempt to start a flame war that you have a point on western policy at the moment. HOWEVER this is the way it is going to be until organizations such as Hezbollah discourage suicide tactics and the like. Even though this might be a legitimate tactic in a Muslim's eyes it is utterly at odds with a western mindset and as such Hezbollah is going to gain very little sympathy no matter who is right or wrong or who started the war.

EDIT: As for the terrorist incidents pre 1947 there probably is not going to be a lot of them and are most certainly not going to be organized (though i am willing to be corrected) but that still won't solve the issue you are ranting about. It is about now not then and no matter how legitimate the claim of Palestine is to land in Isreal, AND I DO FEEL THEY HAVE SOME GOOD REASONS they have lost any support they may have from it due to their style of warfare upon the Isrealis. Just remember that Isreal has people to just like palestine and it is there duty to defend them from harm.

So i guess what i am saying is I DONT CARE WHETHER PALESTINE IS RIGHT OR WRONG it just need to end and the only way that is going to happen i when BOTH sides sit down and put their egos in the bags

[The Cobra]

IF ANYONE CAN GIVE ME A SINGLE TERRORIST ATTACK COMMITED BY ARABS ON AMERICANS BEFORE 1947

OR ON BRITISH BEFORE THE SYKES-PICOT AGREEMENT

Dude dude, are you kidding me ? the Muslims were always evil and bombed western people....Remember the Crusades ? they used canon bombers that blow themselves against the Crusader good doers who wanted to free the people of the Levant and save them.

[Erik]

Dude dude, are you kidding me ? the Muslims were always evil and bombed western people....Remember the Crusades ? they used canon bombers that blow themselves against the Crusader good doers who wanted to free the people of the Levant and save them.

I don't think suicide attacks against Crusaders qualify as terrorist attacks, because Crusaders are soldiers.

Any records of them using canon bombers against the civilian population?

[The Cobra]

I don't think suicide attacks against Crusaders qualify as terrorist attacks, because Crusaders are soldiers.

Any records of them using canon bombers against the civilian population?

Remember Vienna ?

[Erik]

Remember Vienna ?

Actually: no.

I must admit I know very little about that period. (and no, I'm not being sarcastic, just ignorant)

[The Cobra]

Actually: no.

The Turks suicidally bombed the city.

[Faramir D'Andunie]

I believe he was beeing sarcastic.

[Their Law]

I don't think suicide attacks against Crusaders qualify as terrorist attacks, because Crusaders are soldiers.

Any records of them using canon bombers against the civilian population?

I think he was being sarcastic.

Edit: Belisarius beat me

[Their Law]

Dude dude, are you kidding me ? the Muslims were always evil and bombed western people....Remember the Crusades ? they used canon bombers that blow themselves against the Crusader good doers who wanted to free the people of the Levant and save them.

Sigh i doesn't matter who is right or wrong all it matters is that it ends. Honestly it's like a bunch of kids complaining to the teacher saying it's the others fault. It's both our fault. Both Palestine and Israel or on a larger scale both the East (Middle that is) and West and finger pointing won't help to end it.

[The Cobra]

Sigh i doesn't matter who is right or wrong all it matters is that it ends. Honestly it's like a bunch of kids complaining to the teacher saying it's the others fault. It's both our fault. Both Palestine and Israel or on a larger scale both the East (Middle that is) and West and finger pointing won't help to end it.

How is it the Palestinians fault ?

[Their Law]

It is their fault for resorting to suicide tactics. Therefore they should not act all surprised when Israel starts air striking them and Europe starts to partition then. At the same time it is Israel and Europe's fault for not taking into consideration the people living in the area at the time. However if i recall that area was under British rule i think so technically the Palestinians did not have country at the beginning anyway. I'll have to check though and edit if incorrect.

Though it does little to change the fact that the british and Israeli government acted in complete disregard to the native inhabitants.

[The Cobra]

It is their fault for resorting to suicide tactics. Therefore they should not act all surprised when Israel starts air striking them and Europe starts to partition then. At the same time it is Israel and Europe's fault for not taking into consideration the people living in the area at the time. However if i recall that area was under British rule i think so technically the Palestinians did not have country at the beginning anyway. I'll have to check though and edit if incorrect.

Though it does little to change the fact that the british and Israeli government acted in complete disregard to the native inhabitants.

Palestinians don't support suicide bombers, they didn't resort to them, the suicide bombers themselves blow up Palestinians...but that never reaches the news, even if thousands of Palestinians died from it, but once an Israeli is killed by one of them...you'll find it in the front pages.

[Philos Sophos]

So,I don't understand this topic,If I support Israel I'm a zionist?And Israel should be given to the Palestines or something?

Please explain the meaning of this thread to me...

[Their Law]

So,I don't understand this topic,If I support Israel I'm a zionist?And Israel should be given to the Palestines or something?

Please explain the meaning of this thread to me...

Basically that would sum it up. And it's a very childish view to take (not you, the OP) as the real culprits of the conflict are Britain and by an extension Germany.

[Ahlerich]

Basically that would sum it up. And it's a very childish view to take (not you, the OP) as the real culprits of the conflict are Britain and by an extension Germany.

how is it germanies fault? because the final solution was far from successfull?

/sarcasm

[Their Law]

how is it germanies fault? because the final solution was far from successfull?

/sarcasm

no i am just saying that because of the actions of Germany and the war guilt felt by the allies that the creation of the state of Israel became more viable.

@Ghoz: God you had to have the last word didn't you and normally i wouldn't respond to it but once again YOU are confusing my posts meaning.

The original challenge i believe was to find any proof of Arab terrorist activities on Americans or Brits before 1947. Now because of that i assumed that you were considering 1948 the creation of the state of Israel and i am sorry but the official state of Israel and thus the state directly responsible for today's actions was formed in 1948 not in 1917 when Britain promised to give them a state as soon as possible.

[Their Law]

Once again you are failing to see the point of my posts. All i am saying is that neither side is blameless and neither sides are saints. All i am saying is that this forum topic is blatantly intended to stir up the extremes on each side. What i can't understand is why Israel and Palestine just merge into one big country with fair representation for all. But if that's impossible Palestine should demand that Lebanon and other countries that have insurgents mortaring Israel crack down on them. At the same time Israel should stop it's raids into Palestinian territory and ensure medical and food aid is sent to any and all displaced refugees.

My view is that it that it can and should end in peace WITHOUT one side annihilating the other.

EDIT: Cobra: Your sig made my laugh.

[KING OF TWC!]

Israel invented modern terrorism

research the Haganah and Deir Yassen massacre

Please try to have knowledge of history deeper then 60 years



Also, no one has beaten my challlenge?

prove me its Muslims commiting violence and not just oppressed ppl retaliateing

[Justice and Mercy]

prove me its Muslims commiting violence and not just oppressed ppl retaliateing

People blowing people up is violence, regardless of whether or not it's in retaliation.

I will say this, the Israeli government is perfectly justified in trying to defend the people it's there to defend.

They're showing more constraint than I would.

shipped out to die in Iraq or shipped out as in banned?

The chances of him dying in Iraq aren't all that high.

But we wouldn't want to deprive you of your dreams. Let's not pretend you don't like the idea of American soldiers dying in Iraq, it's just dishonest.