Emergent Church Movement?

[The Good]

The emerging church (sometimes referred to as the emergent church movement) is a Christian movement whose participants seek to live their faith in modern society by emulating Jesus Christ irrespective of Christian religious traditions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergent_Church

For the other Christians of this forum, I'm curious what your opinion on the Emergent Church movement is. The way I see it, they are what can be referred to as "Post-Protestant." I'm not very familiar with what they teach or advocate as opposed to other Christian churches, but there's a lot of controversy involving this church in particular.

There are Christians who claim that their beliefs are unbiblical. Do you think that's true?

Also, are there any Emergent Christians at Total War Center?

[boofhead]

A number of pieces of research including Gibbs & Bolger have identified a number of core based values in the international emerging church drawing on narrative action research.[16]

These include:

* Who take the life of Jesus as a model to live (life as spiritual journey).
* And who transform the secular realm.
* As they live highly communal lives.
* Welcome those who are outsiders.
* Share Generously.
* Participate.
* Create.
* Lead without control (unity in diversity).
* And function together in spiritual activities.

Not much to condemn there.

But come on, the insistence here seems to be upon the term 'emerging' as much as it is on the substance of the life such an existence would lead.

It's called 'Protestantism', basically.

It's actually 'non-denominational Protestantism'.

All it says is that as soon as a 'church' or organization comes to be then the classification changes.

'Emergent' Christians have been a part of the Body of Christ for centuries. There's no need to create a new word, or schism. Or is that what they're trying to do?

[jankren]

Sounds like typical 'I do whatever I think is good and I assume Jesus too would think its good and I dont care if the Bible agree with it or not' Christians.

I seriously dont understand why people like these keep associating themselves with Christianity. I mean lets face it, Christianity=The Bible The Bible=Christianity.

[MehemtAli_Pasha]

Christianity=The Bible The Bible=Christianity.

actually i will have to disagree with that. any one who claims to follow Jesus Christ teachings may call himself Christian. the Bible is just a book written by people inspired by Paul-who claims to be inspired by God. since the contradiction of the teachings of Jesus rose very shortly after Jesus death(or ascending to heaven), the bible then cannot be taken as 100% book inspired by God, because 1) it was written by man..2) it's fair to say it was subject to many changes throughout the years...so the conclusion, no one really knows what Jesus said.

so i think it's fair to say any one can call himself Christians if he thinks he is following Jesus' teachings with no Biblical account. who knows, may be their biblical account was written somewhere in any of the manuscripts that were burned(or may be still hidden) by any of the churches. I would respect that.

[jankren]

actually i will have to disagree with that. any one who claims to follow Jesus Christ teachings may call himself Christian. the Bible is just a book written by people inspired by Paul-who claims to be inspired by God. since the contradiction of the teachings of Jesus rose very shortly after Jesus death(or ascending to heaven), the bible then cannot be taken as 100% book inspired by God, because 1) it was written by man..2) it's fair to say it was subject to many changes throughout the years...so the conclusion, no one really knows what Jesus said.

so i think it's fair to say any one can call himself Christians if he thinks he is following Jesus' teachings with no Biblical account. who knows, may be their biblical account was written somewhere in any of the manuscripts that were burned(or may be still hidden) by any of the churches. I would respect that.

Without the Bible you wont ing know what Jesus 'supposedly' taught in the first place.

Following the teachings of the dude himself, as opposed to the mass of idiocity in the Old Testament

The New Testament promote the murder of homos I believe but Im sure these people wont follow that.

[MehemtAli_Pasha]

Without the Bible you wont ing know what Jesus 'supposedly' taught in the first place.

because the bible just stops at those 27 books?

who knows, may be their biblical account was written somewhere in any of the manuscripts that were burned(or may be still hidden) by any of the churches.

i hope u got that.

[Osceola]

Sounds a helluva lot more intelligent then most Christians.

Following the teachings of the dude himself, as opposed to the mass of idiocity in the Old Testament..

I think I'd actually like Christianity and might have stayed Christian if thats how most Christians were.

[Osceola]

Actually I think one of the things commonly thrown about in defense of homos is that Jesus himself never even mentioned the sin.

So if you'd like to quote something actually saying in the NT, to murder homos "or something like that" ..

That would be just Grrrrrrrrrreat....

[jankren]

Actually I think one of the things commonly thrown about in defense of homos is that Jesus himself never even mentioned the sin.

So if you'd like to quote something actually saying in the NT, to murder homos "or something like that" ..

That would be just Grrrrrrrrrreat....

Okay, I admit I made an exaggeration. But it is a fact that even the New Testament as well is against homosexuality.

Romans 1:26-27: "For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence [sic] of their error which was meet."

I realize that as far as I know this wasnt Jesus's quote but Pauls, but it is in the new testament.

[Osceola]

Alright, well thanks. That was just Grrrrrrrreat.

But dude.. uh.. aren't you a muslim? You don't like homosexuality either.

[jankren]

Alright, well thanks. That was just Grrrrrrrreat.

But dude.. uh.. aren't you a muslim? You don't like homosexuality either.

Yes I am, and I do disagree with homosexuality because Al Quran which is the basis of Islam does not condone it either.

My point is not to attack Christianity for opposing homosexuality but to argue that a homosexuality-accepting Christian is just an oxymoron because the Bible which is the basis of Christianity is against it.

[boofhead]

My point is not to attack Christianity for opposing homosexuality but to argue that a homosexuality-accepting Christian is just an oxymoron because the Bible which is the basis of Christianity is against it.

This is very true. Many modern day Christians want their cake and to eat it too. They would alter the meaning of the Bible just to suit what they want to do.

But I'll think you'll find the vast majority of Christians still view homosexuality as a sin of lust - but as always, they hate the sin, and not the sinner. We're all sinners, right?

[jankren]

But I'll think you'll find the vast majority of Christians still view homosexuality as a sin of lust - but as always, they hate the sin, and not the sinner. We're all sinners, right?

In this case I completely agree. I hate the sin but its the business of the sinner and his Creator so to speak and I will treat him normally as long as he doesnt sin against me.

All of them are like this, because everybody picks and chooses from the bible what he likes and disregards the rest, even hard core fundamentalists. I'm sure you do the same with the Quran. This means there is an authority higher than God: YOU.

Lol, you make a very good atheistic POV.

[PacSubCom]

Yes I am, and I do disagree with homosexuality because Al Quran which is the basis of Islam does not condone it either.

My point is not to attack Christianity for opposing homosexuality but to argue that a homosexuality-accepting Christian is just an oxymoron because the Bible which is the basis of Christianity is against it.

I do disagree with monday mornings. And while we're at it, I do disagree with cold and rainy weather, too (in conjunction, I don't disagree with either cold or rainy weather, just both at the same time).

Sounds like typical 'I do whatever I think is good and I assume Jesus too would think its good and I dont care if the Bible agree with it or not' Christians.

All of them are like this, because everybody picks and chooses from the bible what he likes and disregards the rest, even hard core fundamentalists. I'm sure you do the same with the Quran. This means there is an authority higher than God: YOU.

[Vladimir Lenin]

Having sex with men is a sin.

Looking at women is a sin.

Either way, you have still sinned.

We are all sinners, and we are saved only through the grace of Jesus Christ the Spiritual Son of God, and God the Father.

[CtrlAltDe1337]

To bring this thead back on topic...


Many of the emergent church people believe wacky things (such as denying the existence of hell), but I don't know if or how much of their stuff is truly heretical. AFAIK they don't really have a standard believe system. Each church kinda codifies its own doctrines.

[Shi Huangdi]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergent_Church

For the other Christians of this forum, I'm curious what your opinion on the Emergent Church movement is. The way I see it, they are what can be referred to as "Post-Protestant." I'm not very familiar with what they teach or advocate as opposed to other Christian churches, but there's a lot of controversy involving this church in particular.

There are Christians who claim that their beliefs are unbiblical. Do you think that's true?

Also, are there any Emergent Christians at Total War Center?

The Emerging Church is a joke. It's an attempt to throw away the Bible and twist what's left to fit their totally un-Christian worldview.

[Osceola]

The Emerging Church is a joke. It's an attempt to throw away the Bible and twist what's left to fit their totally un-Christian worldview.

INSHA'ALLAH! MUHAMMAD (SALLAHU WALAKAKAL IFORGET THE REST) JIHAD! KAFFIR! KAFFIR! HARAM! HARAM!11


Basically his rhetoric is no different from a Wahabbi's. Just different religion.

[jankren]

Derka Derka Muhammad Jihad!!!

[Ummon]

Jesus (allegedly) mentions homosexuality as a sin in the Gospel of Judas. Jesus was also, a Jew.