this is not normal !!!

[Matos]

im new here but i think this isnt normal
i use exrm 3.3.4 and i play as romans
i captured all of italy,sicily,korsica,sardinia and malta
my next objective was ilyria but the macedons destroyed thracians,ilyrians and pushing greeks and germans simly they are becoming a super power so when i landed in ilyria i attacked on salona and captured it that was no problem but when attack another ilyrian town owned by macedonia i think it was scodra the reinforcements for macedonia arrived:about half stack of skirmishers - peltastai ,quarter army of skirmisher cavalry - phodromoi, 2 unit of phalangites and rest a ilyrian spermean.My army was typical consular army (i played with Candelarius Guide included in exrm) two units of hastati,pricipes,triari,velites,italian skirimisher,marsi spearmen,swordsmen,general(consul),cavalry and all upgraded in blacksmith and have some experience.But when the battle starts and army came to me i send some infantry to phalangites and ilyrian spearmen and rest of army on peltastai but the heavy casualties are been.Cavalry pursuited the phodromoi.Finally i decided to withdrawn my troops because the battle was lost.on the next turn two half stacks attacks on another army lead by praetor in ilyria,i withrawn them but they attack again and i couldnt withrawn again.and same battle was start ten peltastai terorized my troops cavalry try to pursuit enemy skirmisher but it was absulutely silly for my cavalry. on the next turn i saw 4 full stacks of skirmisher and phodromoi supported with ilyrian spearmen and javeliners marching towards salona and me.Both my armies was destroyed and i was angry so i turn of rtw.My question is how fight with many stacks of skirmisher.
Why macedonias produced skirimisher, Alexander the Great was great general but he rely on infantry phalangites not on skirmishers.Any ideas?:hmmm:

[Jamey]

Why macedonias produced skirimisher, Alexander the Great was great general but he rely on infantry phalangites not on skirmishers.Any ideas?:hmmm:

Pssst. Alexander the Great died in 323 BC. He isn't in charge any more!

It is a design objective for ExRM to have better balance in the armies. You should expect to always see a mix of unit types. I've generally seen more phalanxes and hoplites in AI armies than you describe, but you will see occasional armies that are unbalanced in one way or another. Skirmisher and Illyrian Spear heavy Macedonian armies probably come from Macedon expanding quickly and not being able to produce heavier units in its exterior areas.

Bringing more cavalry and missile troops should take care of the problem for you. Once you wipe out the skirmisher armies, I'd expect that you'll see a lot more pikes coming at you as Macedon brings its core production to bear.

[Matos]

Pssst. Alexander the Great died in 323 BC. He isn't in charge any more!

yes but it is only 40 years between alexander death and start ExRM and i think the strategy or warfare didnt change rapidly or dramaticaly

It is a design objective for ExRM to have better balance in the armies. You should expect to always see a mix of unit types. I've generally seen more phalanxes and hoplites in AI armies than you describe, but you will see occasional armies that are unbalanced in one way or another. Skirmisher and Illyrian Spear heavy Macedonian armies probably come from Macedon expanding quickly and not being able to produce heavier units in its exterior areas.

Bringing more cavalry and missile troops should take care of the problem for you. Once you wipe out the skirmisher armies, I'd expect that you'll see a lot more pikes coming at you as Macedon brings its core production to bear.

yes it was nice but cavalry has high upkeep and they are half of infantry or missile troops so start produced stacks after the stacks full of skirmishers dont producing infantry change the history no roman legions rule the world but roman velites rule the world
the ExRM is great mod but it was not possible to defeat many full stacks of peltasati who have a very low upkeep

[Iskandar]

That's really not the norm, but I've seen it happen when a hellenistic faction that is in desperate state or expanding too quickly(or when you raze their cities and destroy their buildings, their armies will change from phalanxes to skirmishers ). One thing that needs to be done in that regard is to reduce the merc pool or its replenishing rate in the next hotfix(along with changing back to hoplites instead of pezoi), but that has already been discussed in another thread.

On the tactical side, you have to adapt. Hire some rhodian slingers and cretan archers(available in the Apollonia and Anitgonea region), it is not a deviation from history, at least not a big one. If you keep your army relatively compact, the archers and the slingers will keep the enemy cavalry at bay(but you must switch fire at will off and target manually). Rush your enemy infantry instead of thrwoing pila at first. You'll make quick work of their heavier infantry and will have to finish their foot skirmishers. Here it gets tricky - if you maneuver well, you'll not get too spread. The other choice is to use bait for the enemy cavalry, finish it off with your cavalry, which you've kept in reserve until now, and then just chase the enemy foot skirmishers - they are not dangerous at this point. But don't expect low casualties - you are fighting against mainly missile army. Look up Alexander's win at Jaxarta against the Scythians(or Sarmatians...) and General Ventidius against the Parthians for further inspiration.

There is also a little cheat - use a high command star general on autoresolve;until it's corrected, heavy infantry will chew skirmishers that way. Put your heavy infantry units first in the army composition, it will minimize overall casualties.

Edit: I forgot, you can switch off skirmishing for the velites and secure your flanks against the enemy podromoi with them. They tend to get healed a lot after the battle, especially with a general with the Chirurgeon trait (Herbalist also works IIRC).
Edit: I speak form experience on medium battle difficulty. This kind of battle is tricky enough, I have no idea how the enemy will fare on hard or very hard.

[AqD]

It's normal. Alexander always had a lot of light infantry in his army, even through most people only remember the phalangites... Also originally the macedonian phalangites were trained to be pikemen as well as javelinmen, because they know phalangites are not always suitable under all situations.

PS: that's why I don't like heavy infantry army and romans. It sucks when your enemy can run faster than you!
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[Matos]

ok thanks all i try all of it