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one more arguement...
I'm not a believer and there were certain questions that made me think this.
There is belief of fate in Islam, and also in Christianity right? ANyway so if god programmed us, if he knows our future then the reason I'm an ateist is him. God made me an ateist and it's not my fault if I got to hell because he made me this way.
Is there an explanation for this in the holy books, or it "beyond our understanding"?
"Therefore I am not in favour of raising any dogmatic banner. On the contrary, we must try to help the dogmatists to clarify their propositions for themselves. Thus, communism, in particular, is a dogmatic abstraction; in which connection, however, I am not thinking of some imaginary and possible communism, but actually existing communism as taught by Cabet, Dézamy, Weitling, etc. This communism is itself only a special expression of the humanistic principle, an expression which is still infected by its antithesis – the private system. Hence the abolition of private property and communism are by no means identical, and it is not accidental but inevitable that communism has seen other socialist doctrines – such as those of Fourier, Proudhon, etc. – arising to confront it because it is itself only a special, one-sided realisation of the socialist principle."
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It depends on the interpretation of Christianity you pick. There is no predestination in most of them.
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Praeses
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what about your god creates one perfect religion philosophy? Such simple thing has different versions?Originally Posted by Ummon
"Therefore I am not in favour of raising any dogmatic banner. On the contrary, we must try to help the dogmatists to clarify their propositions for themselves. Thus, communism, in particular, is a dogmatic abstraction; in which connection, however, I am not thinking of some imaginary and possible communism, but actually existing communism as taught by Cabet, Dézamy, Weitling, etc. This communism is itself only a special expression of the humanistic principle, an expression which is still infected by its antithesis – the private system. Hence the abolition of private property and communism are by no means identical, and it is not accidental but inevitable that communism has seen other socialist doctrines – such as those of Fourier, Proudhon, etc. – arising to confront it because it is itself only a special, one-sided realisation of the socialist principle."
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Perfection is not of this world.
Praeses
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Well this is what I mean. I couldn't get any decent answer. Ummon I doN't mean to disrespect you, but could you tell me what your view is on this issue?
"Therefore I am not in favour of raising any dogmatic banner. On the contrary, we must try to help the dogmatists to clarify their propositions for themselves. Thus, communism, in particular, is a dogmatic abstraction; in which connection, however, I am not thinking of some imaginary and possible communism, but actually existing communism as taught by Cabet, Dézamy, Weitling, etc. This communism is itself only a special expression of the humanistic principle, an expression which is still infected by its antithesis – the private system. Hence the abolition of private property and communism are by no means identical, and it is not accidental but inevitable that communism has seen other socialist doctrines – such as those of Fourier, Proudhon, etc. – arising to confront it because it is itself only a special, one-sided realisation of the socialist principle."
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God made several billions of billions of you, and you are allowed to choose which ones become real. In this sense, all the rest is discarded by your choices. A great responsibility.
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well put ummon.
Tiro
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actually Ummon you have said something that is very meaningful regardless of what you believe in
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He gave you the freedom to make your own decisions OP, you chose to be an atheist.
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Then the next reasonable question is does he know which one of the billions of 'yous' will be sustained? If not it is a problem with omniscience.
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God made several billions of you, and you are allowed to choose which is real?
Does no one else see the utter tripe in that sentence?
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I do, I do! Not to mention the incredible amount of wasted mass that is involved!
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God gives people the freedom of choice. If he had already chosen your destiny, there is no point in life. Therefore, what you do is your choice, not gods.
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Did he now? http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=194444
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he's saying god gave ya free will otherwise life would be lameness.
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God made everyone capable of deciding their own religion. No one knows which is right. But you have a choice to make the wrong decision and end uped, just like you can choose to jump off a bridge and hope the sack on your back is a parachute and will open up in time. In the end it's up to you to decide.
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exactly.
Ordinarius
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Well for one you dont have a set path made for you that you where going to follow. You just come here and decied for your self where you are going in life god showed the way to him but that up to you where you wish to follow it. Other wise why would he have give us the right to choose how to live for he wanted us to make a choice for our self. All he did is say here you go welcome to earth your not going to remember anything from this past life but I will give you way back to me if you want other wise it up to you.
P.S Sorry to tell you god didnt make you an atheist you choose to be, he dose not make anyone believe anything they dont wish to believe in.
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Yeah. You and your actions made you an atheist.
Campidoctor
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Where do you draw the line between god's influence and your choice though? I mean, god has to be doing something, otherwise there isn't much point to the whole thing, but you say he gave free will, where does the change between the two occur?
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