I'm a PC.

[Miraj]

I'm a PC too.



A giant and well-deserved " you" to that tool Steve Jobs and his boy toy Justin Long.

[Eric]

Mahaha! That was great! Finally something to SHUT UP the damn Apple fans. Honestly, those people are getting really damned annoying, thinking their ads with Justin Long are sooo funny and clever and Apple is going to usurp Microsoft. Yeah, right >.>. As long as Apple computers are a closed system, like they are now, they are never going to surpass the PC's adaptability and flexibility. Apple doesn't have the kind of 3rd party support that Microsoft boasts.

But I digress, great ad!

[Roman Clone]

I'm a P.C too.

And guess what? I build my own systems to cater to my needs and I do not need some silly little GUI and flashy OS to make it better. What does a Mac have that a PC cannot have?

[Miraj]

What does a Mac have that a PC cannot have?

Absolutely nothing.

And that's the fact that Apple tries to hide so badly. Fact is, Macs are PCs.. very limited and brand-tied PCs that a minority uses. (a very dangerous minority too!)

[Ältester der Motten]

Absolutely nothing.

And that's the fact that Apple tries to hide so badly. Fact is, Macs are PCs.. very limited and brand-tied PCs that a minority uses. (a very dangerous minority too!)

I really don't get why people don't consider a Personal Computer with Apple-stuff to be a Personal Computer.

[Thanatos]

I'm a P.C too.

And guess what? I build my own systems to cater to my needs and I do not need some silly little GUI and flashy OS to make it better. What does a Mac have that a PC cannot have?

Security and Stability. As long as you lack a Unix-based OS, the Macintosh will always be better in those departments.

However, I am fair. I do acknowledge that the PC has pretty much everything else, like games.

[atraps]

Security and Stability.

One may argue the reason of why Macs seem to have better security, and stability then PCs, is because PCs vastly outnumber Macs, and therefore are more prone to security, and stability issues.

[Hunter Makoy]

Security and Stability. As long as you lack a Unix-based OS, the Macintosh will always be better in those departments.

However, I am fair. I do acknowledge that the PC has pretty much everything else, like games.

but i thought PC's were only for pencil pushers who want to play with spreadsheets? macs and everything they stand for.

[Simetrical]

All I'm going to say is, the ads were edited on Macs.

I don't know about that, but I do know that for some time, microsoft.com used Akamai as a CDN . . . which meant, of course, that much of their content was being served from Linux proxies.

Edit: Actually, they still do. Links: 1, 2. I can't verify that Akamai still uses Linux (I assume so), but nmapping i.microsoft.com shows that Akamai is still being used.

most of PC's crashes are application based, incompatibilities, hardware requirements, bad programing etc. That is the fault of the the software developers not the operating system.

Wrong, wrong, wrong. Any system crash in Windows (beyond Windows 3.1 or so, anyway) is due to the kernel. That's the whole idea of protected mode: user-space applications cannot take down the whole system. Most crashes in Windows are caused by third-party drivers ― none are "caused" by normal applications. Normal applications may trigger bugs in drivers or other parts of the kernel, but the bugs still lie in the kernel.

[Hunter Makoy]

Wrong, wrong, wrong. Any system crash in Windows (beyond Windows 3.1 or so, anyway) is due to the kernel. That's the whole idea of protected mode: user-space applications cannot take down the whole system. Most crashes in Windows are caused by third-party drivers ― none are "caused" by normal applications. Normal applications may trigger bugs in drivers or other parts of the kernel, but the bugs still lie in the kernel.

ur talking about true crashes right? as in, beyond repair, dead on the table? i've had about 4 PCs now, and have never had any of them crash, bar one, but it was a freakin lightning strike. of course macs r just as likely to have that happen. about the worse thing that ever happend to any one of my PCs was a major virus that really kept it from working, and we didn't even have to take it to a shop to fix that.

btw do u know if Steve Jobs was voted 'Most Pretentious' in his year book?

[AqD]

Security and Stability. As long as you lack a Unix-based OS, the Macintosh will always be better in those departments.

Both are not very correct IMO:

1.Security: it's more about the users rather than the system itself. There can be no security if people like to download obvious trojans or click on virus attachments carried in spam emails. Everyone know there is non-admin account on windows and they could be a lot safer if they just use it - but they wouldn't

2.Stability: windows has far more drivers than most unix systems, usually provided from 3rd-party. It's just not possible to guarantee the system stability - every of these drivers could crash the entire machine! It's inevitable if you want to keep things "open".
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[So Much Fire]

What does a Mac have that a PC cannot have?

It's like arguing Porsche vs Ferrari... they both take you to the same place the same way, you just care what you look like getting there (unless you care about every single inch of what's under the hood)

Where's the whole rivalry coming from? I know a bit about general computer history but don't get why things can get so heated over PC and Mac, I've always seen it as a group of people criticizing others just because they like art or music. I've been using PCs and Macs both for a long time and just recently linux, but I prefer using Apple because I like the style and am perfectly happy with what it offers in terms of laptops since if I wanted to upgrade, I'd just build a desktop. A 1TB HD or a video card the size of Texas isn't needed, just a good system to run photoshop, mixing software and an occasional game using bootcamp, Apple does an excellent job with these uses. So why hate Apple? It's not like a peace treaty is being singed here :hmmm:

Edit : Apple sells very well amongst students because of it's student packages (hardware, external hard drives and a mouse can be purchased at a discount with a student ID card)

[Simetrical]

The problem is that you have users in Windows getting access to a lot of stuff whilst running a program, say, a game, turning them from user to superuser.

That doesn't happen. Games do not run at any higher privilege than the user running them. Some games (like lots of other programs) may have historically required administrative rights simply because everyone had admin rights anyway on desktops, but that should very rarely be the case with Vista.

You can say Vista has changed that to an extent, but then you look at all the problems people have running the games on the operating system, and I don't mean just compatibility issues.

Yes, there's a backward compatibility cost. But that's transitory, and things mostly work. Vista is quite clever about pretending that ordinary users are admins, maintaining non-privileged copies of each user's changes to system-wide files that old programs blindly try to make.

Where's the whole rivalry coming from?

I would imagine that part of it is that it trickles down from Microsoft and Apple themselves. Steve Jobs and Apple tend to be very contemptuous of Windows, it's a culture they encourage. It's part of their strategy to gain market share: they have to show that they're better than the dominant player for people to accept them. A lot of Mac fans follow that lead, and Windows users are hostile in response.

(I don't mean to imply that Microsoft isn't hostile toward Mac too: of course it is. But first of all, it tends to ignore Apple much of the time, monopoly that it is. It doesn't have to justify itself to its users relative to any other service, because they're locked in. Its primary competitor is old versions of its own software. Second of all, most Windows users distrust if not outright hate Microsoft, while Mac users tend to like Apple a lot more as a company. So Windows users are probably less likely to care what Microsoft thinks.)

Of course, part of it is just that people like to be superior.

Edit : Apple sells very well amongst students because of it's student packages (hardware, external hard drives and a mouse can be purchased at a discount with a student ID card)

Windows is also a lot cheaper for students, IIRC, at least the OS itself. The hardware might be too from the right dealer.

[So Much Fire]

I would imagine that part of it is that it trickles down from Microsoft and Apple themselves. Steve Jobs and Apple tend to be very contemptuous of Windows, it's a culture they encourage. It's part of their strategy to gain market share: they have to show that they're better than the dominant player for people to accept them. A lot of Mac fans follow that lead, and Windows users are hostile in response.

(I don't mean to imply that Microsoft isn't hostile toward Mac too: of course it is. But first of all, it tends to ignore Apple much of the time, monopoly that it is. It doesn't have to justify itself to its users relative to any other service, because they're locked in. Its primary competitor is old versions of its own software. Second of all, most Windows users distrust if not outright hate Microsoft, while Mac users tend to like Apple a lot more as a company. So Windows users are probably less likely to care what Microsoft thinks.)

Of course, part of it is just that people like to be superior.

Windows is also a lot cheaper for students, IIRC, at least the OS itself. The hardware might be too from the right dealer.

Oh, seems a little odd to be arguing over computer brands, makes marketing sense though.

[Miraj]

Because they are trying to make a false distinction with windows based computers. Just like those fake-ass little fruity-tooties at Starbucks trying to make themselves feel unique by buying expensive coffee.

[Marie Louise von Preussen]

The whole world is PC. Mac is and always was insignificant.

[The Mongol]

This just takes a big dump on the Mac ads.

Nice job Microsoft advertising.

Absolutely nothing.

And that's the fact that Apple tries to hide so badly. Fact is, Macs are PCs.. very limited and brand-tied PCs that a minority uses. (a very dangerous minority too!)

heh.. heh... more like... MACrosoft, lol!

[Miraj]

heh.. heh... more like... MACrosoft, lol!

Looks like those JOKES 101 classes are really starting to pay off!!

[the_mango55]

I liked the Gates and Seinfeld ones more.

They made no sense, but I think they are funny.

[Miraj]

The first one was just plain bizarre.