Kypchak-Tatar tili (Kipchak/Tatar)

[Boztorgai_Khan]

Tatarca laplayyk bar ma mynda ?

Bar

[Lуra]

Hello!
I'm interested in the Tartar/Kypchak languages, how different are they from other Turkic languages?

~Lyra

[Boztorgai_Khan]

Hello!
I'm interested in the Tartar/Kypchak languages, how different are they from other Turkic languages?

~Lyra

If you know another Turkic languages then is it simply for you

They are different dialects in Tatar/Kypchak languages.

Look Like:

Min = I - ( in Mishar, Kazan Tatars, Baskirts )

Men = I - ( in Crimean Tatars, Kerasan Tatars and Other Tatar Clans )

Man = I - ( in Nogai Tatars and Desert Tatar Clans )


Here can you learn it Tatars language from me and another Tatars on the Forum

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[Lуra]

Excellent!

Could you translate the following into the three dialects you said?

The sun shined brightly.

The boy shot the rabbit for his meal.

The rabbit was shot by an arrow.

He's dead.

~Lyra

[Boztorgai_Khan]

Excellent!

Could you translate the following into the three dialects you said?

The sun shined brightly.

The boy shot the rabbit for his meal.

The rabbit was shot by an arrow.

He's dead.

~Lyra

The sun shined brightly

Qüneş Balk Balk Balkılda

Küneş Pırıl Pırıl Parlıyorge

Küneş Pırıl Pırıl Parlıyorga




The boy shot the rabbit for his meal

Ul Aş işun Tawşan Urdı

Oğlan Aş işin Tavşan Urdu

Uğlan Aş işun Tawşan Urdı




The rabbit was shot by an arrow

Tavşan Bír Okla Uruldu

Tawşan Bír Ukla Urıldı



He's dead

O Öli Tapılgan

U Üli Tapılgan




You can learn it first the words in place Text, with Words can you make Text simply

[Lуra]

Qüneş Balk Balk Balkılda

Does Shine and Bright have the same meaning?
Is the word doubled to show intensity of the shine?

Küneş Pırıl Pırıl Parlıyorge

Küneş Pırıl Pırıl Parlıyorga

Pırıl/Balk
Really different, must not originate from the same Turkic root...

Ul Aş işun Tawşan Urdı

is that "towards/for his meal?

Oğlan Aş işin Tavşan Urdu

Uğlan Aş işun Tawşan Urdı

Does that bit mean anything?

Tavşan Bír Okla Uruldu

Tawşan Bír Ukla Urıldı

by arrow?

O Öli Tapılgan

U Üli Tapılgan

Does it simply mean 'dead' or does it have a suffix?


I can already see the Subject, Object, Verb construction. Except in the copulative verbs (to be, is..) where it is like in enlighs: Subject, Verb, Attributive.


How about greeting? Is there anything other than the Islamic "Selam". Or am I confused and "Selam Qardas'm" means something weird.

Thanks in advance for showing me your language.

~Lyra

[Boztorgai_Khan]

Does Shine and Bright have the same meaning?
Is the word doubled to show intensity of the shine?

( Shine = Balk in Old Language some Today use that PIRIL in Modern Language and some Today use that ) Text of you: The sun shined brightly = in Tatar language is: Küneş Pırıl Pırıl Parlıyorge in KYPCHAK Language:Qüneş Balk Balk Balkılda ( Kypchak Language is old language there is using Balk for PIRIL )

Bright = BALKILDA ( BALKIDA in Modern Language: PARLIYORGE, in Turkey Turkish: PARLIYOR )


Pırıl/Balk
Really different, must not originate from the same Turkic root...

PIRIL is Modern term for BALK

BALK was the originate in old Turkic language

PIRIL is using by some Turkic language today: Look like: Turkey Turks, Crimean Tatars etc..

BALK is using by Baraba Tatars, Mishar Tatars etc...


is that "towards/for his meal?

You mean Two words ? As isun ??

As mean Meal Isun = for

Ul = Boy - As = Meal - Tawsan = Rabbit - Urdi = Shot


Does that bit mean anything?

MEAN ?

Oğlan Aş işin Tavşan Urdu ( in Crimean and Western Tatar clans )

Uğlan Aş işun Tawşan Urdı ( in Nogai's and Desert Tatar clans )

Same as Old Kypchak language >>> Ul = Boy - As = Meal - Tawsan = Rabbit - Urdi = Shot


Ul Aş işun Tawşan Urdı ( in old Kipchak Tatar clans )


by arrow?

Ok = Arrow but in some text is using for Okla mean by a arrow but if you make a text then is using Bír in text Bír = one (1)

you wrote; " The rabbit was shot by an arrow"

I Wrote: ( Tavşan Bír Okla Uruldu - Tawşan Bír Ukla Urıldı )


Does it simply mean 'dead' or does it have a suffix?

O / U = He

Öli / Üli = Dead

TAPILGAN = Founded

Western Kipchaks use O for U in Words & Eastern Kipchaks use U for O in Words


I can already see the Subject, Object, Verb construction. Except in the copulative verbs (to be, is..) where it is like in enlighs: Subject, Verb, Attributive.


How about greeting? Is there anything other than the Islamic "Selam". Or am I confused and "Selam Qardas'm" means something weird.

Thanks in advance for showing me your language.

~Lyra

Nice Now Selam is using by Turkic tribes since 14th C. 15th C. that Most choose for Islam from Tengrism/Shamanism, etc other religions.

before 14th C. as Today most Turkic tribes and People today in World use sometimes the True word for Selam

Look Like: Esenler Bolsun by Tatars etc. Merhaba in Turkey Turks language. Salam by Azeri Turks.

Qardas'm ( Kardasim ) <<< Modern language = Old Language >>> Qarindasim/Karindasim by Most Turkic Tribes.

And by Some is Qadam/Kadam mean Qardas ( Brother ).

FOR MORE YOU CAN CHECK THIS LINK: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkic_languages

You'r Welcome And I Hope That I Did My Best For You ?

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@Boztorgai_Khan

in which country are you living?

[Boztorgai_Khan]

@Boztorgai_Khan

in which country are you living?

Netherlands

[Tureuki]

Too bad, not much Tatars active here I would like to see more posts , I learn alot.

Sen aslen Türkiyede ki Kırım Tatarlarından mısın ?

[Boztorgai_Khan]

Too bad, not much Tatars active here I would like to see more posts , I learn alot.

Sen aslen Türkiyede ki Kırım Tatarlarından mısın ?

Yeah I Know Me Too, Nice and Thank You that you want learn it and interrest in Tatar language..

Evet