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    Should one be insulted if a religious convert labels a non-believer a derogatory term?
    eg should i be insulted if a muslim calls me a 'kafir'? (translation:infidel/unbeliever)
    like a jew calling me 'goyim' or a christian calling me 'heathen'?
    then
    do i get to knife him?

    cuz having a term like 'goyim/kafir/unbeliever' is kinda like setting yourself apart from everyone else, making youself somehow better (and the other person, somehow wanting) like the way pre-1960s whites called blacks ''.

    then do i get to knife him?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Exarch View Post
    Should one be insulted if a religious convert labels a non-believer a derogatory term?
    eg should i be insulted if a muslim calls me a 'kafir'? (translation:infidel/unbeliever)
    like a jew calling me 'goyim' or a christian calling me 'heathen'?
    then
    do i get to knife him?

    cuz having a term like 'goyim/kafir/unbeliever' is kinda like setting yourself apart from everyone else, making youself somehow better (and the other person, somehow wanting) like the way pre-1960s whites called blacks ''.

    then do i get to knife him?
    No, you just mind your own business. As a Christian I'm as much a Kafir as you are, and I'm proud of it.

    You don't knife people for what they say or what they call you. Civilized human beings know enough to respect the free speech rights of others. Knifing people because you don't like their beliefs is for savages.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beren Erchamion View Post
    No, you just mind your own business. As a Christian I'm as much a Kafir as you are, and I'm proud of it.

    You don't knife people for what they say or what they call you. Civilized human beings know enough to respect the free speech rights of others. Knifing people because you don't like their beliefs is for savages.
    Yeah, you sue them for slander.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boeing View Post
    Yeah, you sue them for slander.
    Payback, the American way.:usflag:

    Me? I wouldn't be insulted at all. So I don't believe in your crazy religion? In my book, that's a compliment.


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    Kaffur simply means ''he who doesn't believe'' and Goyim ''(other) people''. They aren't offensive terms unless someone uses them offensively. Heathen hasn't been a passive term for ages and is more of an insult than Pagan or the others.
    Quote Originally Posted by A.J.P. Taylor
    Peaceful agreement and government by consent are possible only on the basis of ideas common to all parties; and these ideas must spring from habit and from history. Once reason is introduced, every man, every class, every nation becomes a law unto itself; and the only right which reason understands is the right of the stronger. Reason formulates universal principles and is therefore intolerant: there can be only one rational society, one rational nation, ultimately one rational man. Decisions between rival reasons can be made only by force.





    Quote Originally Posted by H.L Spieghel
    Is het niet hogelijk te verwonderen, en een recht beklaaglijke zaak, Heren, dat alhoewel onze algemene Dietse taal een onvermengde, sierlijke en verstandelijke spraak is, die zich ook zo wijd als enige talen des werelds verspreidt, en die in haar bevang veel rijken, vorstendommen en landen bevat, welke dagelijks zeer veel kloeke en hooggeleerde verstanden uitleveren, dat ze nochtans zo zwakkelijk opgeholpen en zo weinig met geleerdheid verrijkt en versiert wordt, tot een jammerlijk hinder en nadeel des volks?
    Quote Originally Posted by Miel Cools
    Als ik oud ben wil ik zingen,
    Oud ben maar nog niet verrot.
    Zoals oude bomen zingen,
    Voor Jan Lul of voor hun god.
    Ook een oude boom wil reizen,
    Bij een bries of bij een storm.
    Zelfs al zit zijn kruin vol luizen,
    Zelfs al zit zijn voet vol worm.
    Als ik oud ben wil ik zingen.

    Cò am Fear am measg ant-sluaigh,
    A mhaireas buan gu bràth?
    Chan eil sinn uileadh ach air chuart,
    Mar dhìthein buaile fàs,
    Bheir siantannan na bliadhna sìos,
    'S nach tog a' ghrian an àird.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jörg Friedrich
    When do I stop being a justified warrior? When I've killed a million bad civilians? When I've killed three million bad civilians? According to a warsimulation by the Pentagon in 1953 the entire area of Russia would've been reduced to ruins with 60 million casualties. All bad Russians. 60 million bad guys. By how many million ''bad'' casualties do I stop being a knight of justice? Isn't that the question those knights must ask themselves? If there's no-one left, and I remain as the only just one,

    Then I'm God.
    Quote Originally Posted by Louis Napoleon III, Des Idees Napoleoniennes
    Governments have been established to aid society to overcome the obstacles which impede its march. Their forms have been varied according to the problems they have been called to cure, and according to character of the people they have ruled over. Their task never has been, and never will be easy, because the two contrary elements, of which our existence and the nature of society is composed, demand the employment of different means. In view of our divine essence, we need only liberty and work; in view of our mortal nature, we need for our direction a guide and a support. A government is not then, as a distinguished economist has said, a necessary ulcer; it is rather the beneficent motive power of all social organisation.


    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfgang Held
    I walked into those baracks [of Buchenwald concentrationcamp], in which there were people on the three-layered bunkbeds. But only their eyes were alive. Emaciated, skinny figures, nothing more but skin and bones. One thinks that they are dead, because they did not move. Only the eyes. I started to cry. And then one of the prisoners came, stood by me for a while, put a hand on my shoulder and said to me, something that I will never forget: ''Tränen sind denn nicht genug, mein Junge,
    Tränen sind denn nicht genug.''

    Jajem ssoref is m'n korew
    E goochem mit e wenk, e nar mit e shtomp
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Croccer View Post
    Kaffur simply means ''he who doesn't believe'' and Goyim ''(other) people''. They aren't offensive terms unless someone uses them offensively. Heathen hasn't been a passive term for ages and is more of an insult than Pagan or the others.
    i know plenty of muslims who use the term 'kafir' quite derogatorily, sadly

    besides the knifing part was a hyperbole.
    obviously i am not the type of person who knifes anyone

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    Then, obviously, you should feel insulted. It's like the names of animals. Normally there's nothing wrong with it, untill someone uses it as an insult.
    Quote Originally Posted by A.J.P. Taylor
    Peaceful agreement and government by consent are possible only on the basis of ideas common to all parties; and these ideas must spring from habit and from history. Once reason is introduced, every man, every class, every nation becomes a law unto itself; and the only right which reason understands is the right of the stronger. Reason formulates universal principles and is therefore intolerant: there can be only one rational society, one rational nation, ultimately one rational man. Decisions between rival reasons can be made only by force.





    Quote Originally Posted by H.L Spieghel
    Is het niet hogelijk te verwonderen, en een recht beklaaglijke zaak, Heren, dat alhoewel onze algemene Dietse taal een onvermengde, sierlijke en verstandelijke spraak is, die zich ook zo wijd als enige talen des werelds verspreidt, en die in haar bevang veel rijken, vorstendommen en landen bevat, welke dagelijks zeer veel kloeke en hooggeleerde verstanden uitleveren, dat ze nochtans zo zwakkelijk opgeholpen en zo weinig met geleerdheid verrijkt en versiert wordt, tot een jammerlijk hinder en nadeel des volks?
    Quote Originally Posted by Miel Cools
    Als ik oud ben wil ik zingen,
    Oud ben maar nog niet verrot.
    Zoals oude bomen zingen,
    Voor Jan Lul of voor hun god.
    Ook een oude boom wil reizen,
    Bij een bries of bij een storm.
    Zelfs al zit zijn kruin vol luizen,
    Zelfs al zit zijn voet vol worm.
    Als ik oud ben wil ik zingen.

    Cò am Fear am measg ant-sluaigh,
    A mhaireas buan gu bràth?
    Chan eil sinn uileadh ach air chuart,
    Mar dhìthein buaile fàs,
    Bheir siantannan na bliadhna sìos,
    'S nach tog a' ghrian an àird.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jörg Friedrich
    When do I stop being a justified warrior? When I've killed a million bad civilians? When I've killed three million bad civilians? According to a warsimulation by the Pentagon in 1953 the entire area of Russia would've been reduced to ruins with 60 million casualties. All bad Russians. 60 million bad guys. By how many million ''bad'' casualties do I stop being a knight of justice? Isn't that the question those knights must ask themselves? If there's no-one left, and I remain as the only just one,

    Then I'm God.
    Quote Originally Posted by Louis Napoleon III, Des Idees Napoleoniennes
    Governments have been established to aid society to overcome the obstacles which impede its march. Their forms have been varied according to the problems they have been called to cure, and according to character of the people they have ruled over. Their task never has been, and never will be easy, because the two contrary elements, of which our existence and the nature of society is composed, demand the employment of different means. In view of our divine essence, we need only liberty and work; in view of our mortal nature, we need for our direction a guide and a support. A government is not then, as a distinguished economist has said, a necessary ulcer; it is rather the beneficent motive power of all social organisation.


    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfgang Held
    I walked into those baracks [of Buchenwald concentrationcamp], in which there were people on the three-layered bunkbeds. But only their eyes were alive. Emaciated, skinny figures, nothing more but skin and bones. One thinks that they are dead, because they did not move. Only the eyes. I started to cry. And then one of the prisoners came, stood by me for a while, put a hand on my shoulder and said to me, something that I will never forget: ''Tränen sind denn nicht genug, mein Junge,
    Tränen sind denn nicht genug.''

    Jajem ssoref is m'n korew
    E goochem mit e wenk, e nar mit e shtomp
    Wer niks is, hot kawsones

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Croccer View Post
    Then, obviously, you should feel insulted. It's like the names of animals. Normally there's nothing wrong with it, untill someone uses it as an insult.
    Reminds of a women describing her marriage, initially everything was fine and both partners had pet names for each other, usually a small animal. As the years passed they still had pet names but the animals had got bigger.

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    I think I'd pity someone who said that to me more than anything.....

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    Mushrik is a cooler term than kafir.

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    Mushrik for Christians.
    Believer for Jews. or maybe ''Infidel''
    Infidel for Atheists and everyone else.
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    Well i think that if someone wants to insult you the word he uses means nothing. Why would infidel be more insulting that puppy, when they are both meant to insult.

    Now for the knifing part...... i prefer pistols myself......less blood on your clothes.....

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    A "Kafir" is literally one "who hides the truth".

    I wouldn't like to call anyone that because for all I know, that person might have done something that Allah holds in higher regard than anything I have done.
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    Instead call then a Hindustani (sorry chaggy ).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Serious Spamurai View Post
    Instead call then a Hindustani (sorry chaggy ).


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    No. Dont get mad, get even. Call them something derogatory back. Preferably related to their religious beliefs, then if they are insulted, you can scream "HYPOCRITE" at the top of your lungs

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    "Goyim" means people that are not Jewish.
    there is "koffer" that means "Heretic" but it is totally different because it is just a word rather then a particulare swearing for non-Jews.
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    A heathen, if I recall correctly, derives its Old English meaning to be 'a person who is not Christian or Jewish'. Even in Christianity I wouldn't find much insult from it, it is no worse than being called an apostate, in my humble opinion of course.

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    Am LDS everyone usally everyone hates me so dont feel to bad. Most of the time it because of some foolish miss understanding but whatever I love everyone equlally regaurdless of what they think of me!

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    For me it would depend on how it was said, if it were said matter-of-factly I would not take offense.




    If it were insulting I would definitely sue him faster than u can say yo mama.
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