Question for those against Multiculturalism and Immigration

[Exarch]

there's been a lot of talk in the mudpit by posters against multiculturalism and immigration, primarily out of a sense that these new immigrants arent 'assimilating' into the host nation's culture (despite the fact that one particular country is meant to be a melting pot and another country hosts immigrants from countries they previously colonised) .

i'd like to ask the question as to what degree of 'assimilation' would these posters regard as satisfactory?


Discuss

[Scar Face]

i'd like to ask the question as to what degree of 'assimilation' would these posters regard as satisfactory?

What do you mean? Complete assimilation, obviously. Even down to the bedtime stories they read their children. Though, assimilation or not, I'm against the mass immigration the West is experiencing. However, it would certainly make me more optimistic and convince me that, to a degree, a large pool of immigrants is not a bad thing, if they actually did assimilate.

But why discuss fairytales?

[Exarch]

What do you mean? Complete assimilation, obviously. Even down to the bedtime stories they read their children. Though, assimilation or not, I'm against the mass immigration the West is experiencing. However, it would certainly make me more optimistic and convince me that, to a degree, a large pool of immigrants is not a bad thing, if they actually did assimilate.

But why discuss fairytales?

dont u think that's a bit unreasonable though?
complete assimilation?you mean like the borg?



cuz then it involves what an 'american/british/australian' is.

[Scar Face]

dont u think that's a bit unreasonable though?
complete assimilation?you mean like the borg?



cuz then it involves what an 'american/british/australian' is.

Yup, if you want to come to America/Britain/Australia, and be an American/Briton/Australian, then you must act like an American/Briton/Australian.

[Primvs Sextvs Loverlord]

Yup, if you want to come to America/Britain/Australia, and be an American/Briton/Australian, then you must act like an American/Briton/Australian.

That pattern of thought is counter-productive. Of course, coming from a self-professed "anti-immigrationist" (polite word for 'xenophobe'), I'm not surprised.

I'm sorry but Mr. Abdullah doesn't play golf or cricket, he thinks English fashion is outdated and, in fact, wears a Turkish cap, his sense of right and wrong are more Victorian that post-modern and he's not very fond of dogs. I guess he can't live in England even if he's a reasonable man. What a pity.

To be honest, if Europeans got their act together and have more babies, they won't need extra labor.

[Hunter Makoy]

That pattern of thought is counter-productive. Of course, coming from a self-professed "anti-immigrationist" (polite word for 'xenophobe'), I'm not surprised.

I'm sorry but Mr. Abdullah doesn't play golf or cricket, he thinks English fashion is outdated and, in fact, wears a Turkish cap, his sense of right and wrong are more Victorian that post-modern and he's not very fond of dogs. I guess he can't live in England even if he's a reasonable man. What a pity.

To be honest, if Europeans got their act together and have more babies, they won't need extra labor.

my question to u then is y would a reasonable person want to go to a country when they want nothing to do for their way of thinking?

if ur going to a country solely for the opportunity it provides, shouldn't you give a little bit of respect back for their culture? y should the immigrant's culture trump the culture of the country he's moving to?

wat ur basically saying is Mr. Abdullah loves Turkey, he loves their culture, he loves their way of thinking. . . he just doesn't want to live there anymore.

[mongrel]

Yup, if you want to come to America/Britain/Australia, and be an American/Briton/Australian, then you must act like an American/Briton/Australian.

That is all white /asain/ black people in Australia/US/Canada should speak native languages. All Britons to speak Gaelic or Welsh. I only know six words of the native British tongue myself, better pack my bags. All Yorkshire in London to sing cor-blimey cheerful songs as they go about their business. Is that what you propose?

This is what could happen if my adopted culture gets too dominant.



Your point is nonsense. We are not a batteries in the Matrix.

[Erik]

Yup, if you want to come to America/Britain/Australia, and be an American/Briton/Australian, then you must act like an American/Briton/Australian.

And that's EXACTLY why I would never want to live in those countries.
Nobody there is genuine or creative, Brits and Americans are empty shells with no personality whatsoever because they are too afraid to stand out in a crowd.

[SigniferOne]

And that's EXACTLY why I would never want to live in those countries.
Nobody there is genuine or creative, Brits and Americans are empty shells with no personality whatsoever because they are too afraid to stand out in a crowd.

Which is why all of the creative output and all of the inventions are American, and the little that's left is from Britain.

Oh that's right, America is evilly capitalist and creative outside people go to it despite their will. Either way you're not wrong, right?

You're still not convincing me, that a pure monoculture (complete w "acceptable" subcultures) is superior to an ethnically, intellectually, and spiritually diverse melange of people that bring to us all kinds of new, exciting, and different ideas.

To address your stand on ethnic restaurants: if you want crappy "ethnic" food, go to Taco Bell or Panda Express.

To try to seriously say that the type of foods one eats forms an important part of culture is probably the very height of intellectual superficiality. Those same hyper-pro-American Irish might well still eat traditionally Irish foods at home, with absolutely no relevance to what they believe or what values they hold (namely pro-American ones).

[Каие]

Yup, if you want to come to America/Britain/Australia, and be an American/Briton/Australian, then you must act like an American/Briton/Australian.

Erm...don't compare Australia, Britain and the USA together, we might be white and speak English, but we're not the same.

[Burnum]

Yup, if you want to come to America/Britain/Australia, and be an American/Briton/Australian, then you must act like an American/Briton/Australian.

How does one act "Australian?"

[Hunter Makoy]

How does one act "Australian?"

speak with a skewed Brittish accent and hunt crocodiles

[Kleos]

"there's been a lot of talk in the mudpit by posters against multiculturalism and immigration, primarily out of a sense that these new immigrants arent 'assimilating' into the host nation's culture (despite the fact that one particular country is meant to be a melting pot and another country hosts immigrants from countries they previously colonised)"

As there is only a handful of people who have posted "against" immigration on this forum, inlcuding me concerning the current rate of migration into Britain; I'll take the bolded bit to mean Britain. I can only speak for myself, but I have never argued for reduced immigration levels of the basis on something as variable as culture - my thrust has always been on the fact that the majority of Britons do not want it at its current level, and a variety of other reasons.

So, rather than trying to paint all those against current levels of immigration as illogical hypocrites in relation to their attitudes concerning immigration; why don't you take a more positive approach and actullay tell us why we stand to benefit and should therefore change our opinions?Or would finding these benefits prove to difficult for you?

[Каие]

What do you mean? Complete assimilation, obviously. Even down to the bedtime stories they read their children.

Ah...you're not a Nazi, you're a Bolshevik.

[jankren]

What do you mean? Complete assimilation, obviously. Even down to the bedtime stories they read their children. Though, assimilation or not, I'm against the mass immigration the West is experiencing. However, it would certainly make me more optimistic and convince me that, to a degree, a large pool of immigrants is not a bad thing, if they actually did assimilate.

But why discuss fairytales?

Let's keep the negative personal references to a minimum, shall we? - EvM

A country with complete homogeneous culture doesnt exist anywhere on earth.

[Hookah Smoking Caterpiller]

Yeah, problem is, know one in Britain knows what 'Britishness' is, its an undefinable mental state.

[Kleos]

We don't need extra labour...

[Primvs Sextvs Loverlord]

Not per se but these people manage to find a lot of jobs as workers, don't they? That's what attracts most migrants.

[Thanatos]

There is nothing wrong with assimilation, but you're asking for way too much, Scar Face. Complete assimilation is only workable in theory.

[mongrel]

There is nothing wrong with assimilation, but you're asking for way too much, Scar Face. Complete assimilation is only workable in theory.

It's the kind of mentality that denied the Gurkhas the right of abode in the UK but gave rights of residence to the Falkland Islanders whose freedom they fought for. At least I see that justice was done this week.