Traits causing crashes at the end of battles?

[AlphaDelta]

Does anyone know how to find out if traits are causing crashes at the end of battles? And which ones might be to blame?

Cheers

[uanime5]

It is possible to figure out whether traits are causing a problem. Simply change the 'level = * error' in the .cfg file to 'level = * trace'. This will list all the traits and ancillaries that have been activated while playing M2TW (the one that occurs before the crash most likely caused it).

Alternatively you can delete all triggers in the ancillary/traits file and see if you still get this crash, since without triggers you can't get any ancillaries/traits (back up these files before deleting their triggers).

[AlphaDelta]

Thanks for the suggestion..

I tried it and these are the last few lines.:

18:35:42.765 [system.io] [trace] file open,,data/banners/symbols8.tga.dds,,not found
18:35:42.765 [system.io] [trace] pack open,packs/data_0.pack,data/banners/symbols8.tga.dds,16512
18:35:42.765 [system.io] [info] open: found data/banners/symbols8.tga.dds (from: packs/data_0.pack)
18:35:42.765 [system.io] [trace] pack data(),,data/banners/symbols8.tga.dds,,,16512
18:35:42.781 [system.io] [trace] pack close,,data/banners/symbols8.tga.dds,,,-16512
18:35:45.078 [system.rpt] [error] Medieval 2: Total War encountered an unspecified error and will now exit.

:S

[BozosLiveHere]

In RTW triggers with NumEnemiesInBattle would often cause a CTD on battles with reinforcement armies. Could be the same in M2TW, I have yet to test it.

[AlphaDelta]

I haven't really written any triggers so I'm a bit confused.

After a successful siege I noticed it does this in the log:


22:01:13.187 [system.io] [trace] pack data(),,data/banners/symbols8.tga.dds,,,16512
22:01:13.187 [system.io] [trace] pack close,,data/banners/symbols8.tga.dds,,,-16512
22:01:15.343 [game.script.trigger] [trace] Trigger <0588_Unexplored_Advisor_Request_Help_Trigger> fired
22:01:15.343 [game.script.trigger] [trace] Trigger <0087_UI_Scroll_Prisoners_Trigger> fired
22:01:15.343 [game.script.trigger] [trace] Trigger <0588_Unexplored_Advisor_Request_Help_Trigger> fired
22:08:01.875 [game.script.trigger] [trace] Trigger <factionleader> fired
22:08:01.875 [game.script.trigger] [trace] Trigger <inherited> fired
22:08:01.875 [game.script.trigger] [trace] Trigger <becomesheir> fired

From looking at what it does at the end of a successful battle (No CTD) I presume that, once it loads those strat map banners, it tries to fire triggers/traits for the outcome of the battle. In the example above it's obviously trigger things to do with the fact the faction leader died, but what is the unexplorted advisor thing?

Cheers

[BozosLiveHere]

This is a trigger from export_descr_advice, not EDCT. It fires the Unexplored_Advisor_Request_Help_Advice_Thread AdviceThread.

[Augustus Lucifer]

This is a trigger from export_descr_advice, not EDCT. It fires the Unexplored_Advisor_Request_Help_Advice_Thread AdviceThread.

What he said. The second one is just the script which checks if you have captured any prisoners to ransom, pretty sure that is in the hard code. But the Advisor ones are from export_descr_advice.txt . You should probably just completely blank that file since most of it won't be applicable and the computer never really provides helpful building advice even if it is not specifically catered.

Cheers,
Augustus

[Nakharar]

i cant find the bit level=trace in my CFG

[AlphaDelta]

Is it something that could be crashing the game? This is a reproducable crash straight after a bridge battle ends. It seems to be a certain bridge.

Cheers

[Augustus Lucifer]

Is it something that could be crashing the game? This is a reproducable crash straight after a bridge battle ends. It seems to be a certain bridge.

Cheers

I'm not sure why it would be crashing the game, no, it doesn't seem likely it's the cause, just coincidence. This is the text:

Trigger 0588_Unexplored_Advisor_Request_Help_Trigger
    WhenToTest ScrollOpened

    Condition I_TurnNumber > 2
          and not I_MapName data/world/maps/campaign/norman_prologue/descr_strat.txt

    AdviceThread Unexplored_Advisor_Request_Help_Advice_Thread  1

Which queries this entry:

AdviceThread Unexplored_Advisor_Request_Help_Advice_Thread
    GameArea Campaign

    Item Unexplored_Advisor_Request_Help_Advice_Text_01
        Uninhibitable
        Verbosity  2 
        Priority  1 
        Threshold  1 
        MaxRepeats  1 
        Attitude Normal
        Presentation Default
        Title Unexplored_Advisor_Request_Help_Advice_Text_01_Title
        Text Unexplored_Advisor_Request_Help_Advice_Text_01_Text1

And this is the line it links to in the EDAT:

Unexplored_Advisor_Request_Help_Advice_Text_01_Text1	624.009070294785

None of those seem at all suspect or like they'd be relevant to a bridge battle. I've never touched the advisor though and if that last code box is any indication of touching the advisor, the battlemodels.modelsdb is plenty worthless numbers for me thanks.

My guess is it is some form of map error. It seems there's 2 seconds between the last banner check and the trigger firing, which implies the triggers are looking at whatever the first event once you hit campaign map is(Post Battle?), and the in between is probably the actual loading of the characters on the map, which with all map stuff, doesn't ever log. I'd check the map near that bridge for a losing character maybe backing up onto an invalid tile?

Cheers,
Augustus

[Gorrrrrn]

Not sure if this is related but could there be a problem with both a faction leader and faction heir dying in the same battle?

Does the game engine assign new faction leader and faction heir during the battle or after it has completed? Possible that some traits can't fire due to both dying at the same time?

[Augustus Lucifer]

Not sure if this is related but could there be a problem with both a faction leader and faction heir dying in the same battle?

Does the game engine assign new faction leader and faction heir during the battle or after it has completed? Possible that some traits can't fire due to both dying at the same time?

No way to test this, assigning the heir/leader is somewhere in the hardcode, the traits that work off things like "IsFactionLeader" are only triggered after the hard coded assignment of the title is given. Same for changing model which is just done through the "Level" parameter and with extra lines in the models_strat.

[Eothese]

Not sure if this is related but could there be a problem with both a faction leader and faction heir dying in the same battle?

Does the game engine assign new faction leader and faction heir during the battle or after it has completed? Possible that some traits can't fire due to both dying at the same time?

If the faction leader and faction heir die in the same battle, the faction is destroyed, regardless of how many other family members are still alive. So the game must assign a new heir after the battle is complete.