Why is it that Christians deny Allah is the same as God?

[Noremac]

I was talking to some friends and family about religion and happened to mention that Allah is the same as the Yahweh/Jehovah of the Old and New Testament. The whole group of them started yelling and stuff about the wrongness of that. They pulled out parts of the Bible. I'm like "Those have nothing to do with Islam or Allah." I ask them why they believe in Moses, Abraham, and Jesus, along with Adam, and the end of the world. They said the devil takes many forms. I seem to be the only person in my family that is open minded and not so enrooted by backwards beliefs that they think everything is blasphemous. It's depressing.................

[gewehr36]

Allah is the same as God. Allah literally translates to "God" in Arabic, the same way that Wilhelm in German translates to William in English. Just because some people interpret God in a different way, it doesn't make God and Allah two different entities.

[dwringer]

It is strange, most people seem to think that it's not the same, but I think officially they are all the same God. Majority opinion is not always correct, I suppose . . . ;p

[The Good]

Many Christians do associate Allah with being a different god, but this does make sense, because Islam is not Christianity, which means different supernatural forces must have inspired it, not the God of Christianity.

I know that Allah has the same literal meaning of "God," but read the above. If a Christian believes Christianity is the only true faith, why would he/she attribute Islam to his/her God as well? Wouldn't it make more sense to infer that it was inspired by other supernatural forces (i.e. demons, Satan)?

[ivan_the_terrible]

Many Christians do associate Allah with being a different god, but this does make sense, because Islam is not Christianity, which means different supernatural forces must have inspired it, not the God of Christianity.

I know that Allah has the same literal meaning of "God," but read the above. If a Christian believes Christianity is the only true faith, why would he/she attribute Islam to his/her God as well? Wouldn't it make more sense to infer that it was inspired by other supernatural forces (i.e. demons, Satan)?

Interesting perspective. For the sake of argument though, Christians consider the Jewish God to be the same god (ie the Father), and yet Judaism is clearly a different religion...

In my opinion, there is a distinction between thinking its the same God, and thinking its the same religion. Christians (or at least those who know their basic theology and history of christianity) believe that God the Father, Jahve and Allah are the same God, but that Christ (ie christianity) is the only true path to him. Conversely, to Muslims its the same God, but Islam is the only true path to him.

Get what Im saying?

[Osceola]

Many Christians do associate Allah with being a different god, but this does make sense, because Islam is not Christianity, which means different supernatural forces must have inspired it, not the God of Christianity.

I know that Allah has the same literal meaning of "God," but read the above. If a Christian believes Christianity is the only true faith, why would he/she attribute Islam to his/her God as well? Wouldn't it make more sense to infer that it was inspired by other supernatural forces (i.e. demons, Satan)?

This is the kind of bollocks from Christians that drives me insane, and I used to be a hardcore Christian tool as well.. until I grew the up, and yet I never believed that.

How much do you even know of Islam anyways? Do you identify Hadiths written possibly hundreds of years after the death of Muhammad as real Islam? Yet, I'm sure you will discount the Apocrypha as heretical to Christianity, right?

And heres the kicker, you will accept and completely love Judaism as one of the faiths, which Islam recognises as one of the people of the book, yet you will not even give the muslim the same consideration, that he might worship the same god as you.

The Jews? Follow a different book from you Christians, the Torah, do not follow the Bible, still believe in some hokeyass bronze age era , completely reject Jesus, and have no love for their Messianic brethren, yet because they are of Isaac, and the Arabs of Ismail, the very blood and bones of the patriarch Ibrahim (whose name in his earthly life probably did sound more like Ibrahim) Christians such as yourself, openly embrace and love them as brothers of their faith (when in reality, you share less in common then muslims) and openly curse, and insult.. the other brothers of their faith, the muslims!

The truly orthodox Jew has no love for Jesus, they deny his place as Saviour of mankind..

The truly orthodox muslim, EVEN THE WAHABBI LUNATICS, openly loves and embraces Jesus or Issa, will address him with peace be upon him, consider him one of the greatest prophets as they do other Christian heroes like Moses, David, Abraham, and will point to your BOOK, which they revere along with Qu'ran, and show you verses from your own bloodstained idiotic book, where they believe Jesus himself said he is not God.. and you refuse to embrace them as your brothers in faith, as much as the Catholics and the Orthodox are?

You share the same ancient history, you share the same morals, you share the same prophets, you share the same books, and you dare call them pagans, you dare refuse to grant that Allah is one and the same with your god, you dare to tell them who the they worship?

The utter arrogance, hypocrisy of Christians disgusts me as much as that of Wahabbi Muslims and Zionist Jews. \\

To think, there could ACTUALLY BE A GOOD USE to all your , bronze age religious traditions. You could try and bind each other in brotherhood, you could try and bring peace between Muslims and Christians and Jews, yet you refuse to learn so much as anything remotely un-biased about the sons of Ishmael, you prolly don't know that much about the sons of Isaac, and you consider yourself to be the only true son of Abraham.

If you want your idiotic religion to survive, you'd think the main idea in your head would be to unite with your brothers. Divided you will fall.

[gambit]

Because some Christians dont like to acknowledge Islam at all. Some of them know nothing about Islam and believe they really all are just hordes of beards in Saracen armor, wielding scimitars and slaying Christians everyday.

Some.

[Scar Face]

When Christians deny that Allah is their god, it is not the equivalent of saying "God is not my God", but rather it is saying "The Muslim perception of what is God, is not the God I accept to be true".

Pretty simple, I thought...

[boofhead]

When Christians deny that Allah is their god, it is not the equivalent of saying "God is not my God", but rather it is saying "The Muslim perception of what is God, is not the God I accept to be true".

Pretty simple, I thought...

Yes, Scar Face hits the nail on the head.

Just because some dude says he knows my Father doesn't mean he does. For example, let's just say I know my father as a big, red-headed dude with freckles who loves cigars. And Johnny Smith comes up and says "Yeah! I know your dad, too! He's this skinny little blonde guy who loves licorice!"

I would say "No, you've got it wrong."

He would say, "But we're talking about the same guy, because we're both referring to dad, right?"

Wrong. We would be talking about a different person.

The Islamic conception of the supreme being contains certain concepts that are DIAMETRICALLY OPPOSED to the Christian idea of God. In fact, they are so opposite that to even suggest they are one and the same would be nothing more than illogical, Islamicist, propagandist bull .

For example. The Christian God loves every person, but hates sin. But the Islamic God hates some people.

Christianity teaches that God loves all men, but hates sin. The Qur’an never says this. Instead it explicitly declares that Allah does not love those who do not believe in him:

For He loves not those who reject Faith (30:45)

Allah only loves those who obey Muhammad (at least according to Muhammad):

Say: "Obey Allah and His Messenger": But if they turn back, Allah loveth not those who reject Faith. (3:32)

Whereas Christianity teaches that God loves the sinner, but hates sin, the wrath of Islam's god is placed squarely on the person:

Surely Allah does not love any one who is unfaithful, ungrateful. (22:38)

Verses 11:118-199 say that Allah does not bestow mercy on everyone. For this reason, he chooses not to guide some people:

And Allah's is the direction of the way, and some (roads) go not straight. And had He willed He would have led you all aright. (16:9)

For those whom Allah does not love, there will be the most terrible of eternal torments:

Those who reject our Signs, We shall soon cast into the Fire: as often as their skins are roasted through, We shall change them for fresh skins, that they may taste the penalty: for Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise. (4:56)

As we can see, Allah hates unbelievers so much that he even leads them into sinning and actively prevents them from believing in him, thus ensuring their fate.

So who is God?

One who hates some people, or one who loves all people?

It's obviously not the same deity.

Someone saying 'no' is taking a lazy-man's attempt to say the two or three religions have different concepts on the being known as God.

No. It's not the 'lazy man'. It's the man of discernment who sees the difference between a hateful deity and a loving one. Or the difference between a guy who doesn't believe what the Hater says (i.e. the Koran), but believes what the Lover says (the Bible).

Just because the Hater says "I am the same as Him" doesn't mean he is.

[dwringer]

boofhead: interesting points, but doesn't the Old Testament god "not love" those who are unfaithful? I thought it was only the Christian God that loves all people, and only then since Jesus died to absolve us in His eyes.

[boofhead]

boofhead: interesting points, but doesn't the Old Testament god "not love" those who are unfaithful? I thought it was only the Christian God that loves all people, and only then since Jesus died to absolve us in His eyes.

Christians have a New Testament. That's what makes them Christians. Without the New Testament they would just be Jews or something else. But considering the Old Testament is just for Jews (and no gentile can decide, "I think I will turn into a Jew today"), then a non-Jew wouldn't be a Jew at all really. You have to be born into it.

[Ummagumma]

If you want to be academic about it, Islam is a heresy of Christianity, which in turn is a Jewish heresy. Like sects, all worship the Semitic Supreme.

Islam is not at all a heresy of Christianity - how can it be? It has no Christ, no trinity, etc.etc. Yes, it is chronologically younger, but not based on it at all. They both stem from Judaism.

The Islamic conception of the supreme being contains certain concepts that are DIAMETRICALLY OPPOSED to the Christian idea of God. In fact, they are so opposite that to even suggest they are one and the same would be nothing more than illogical, Islamicist, propagandist bull .

One could use the same argument to show that Christianity has nothing to do with Judaism either. Christianity and Islam both started at the same point and went in different directions with it, they have the same root. It is therefore fair to say it is the same god, just seen in different ways, worshipped in different ways and comes in a multipack on occasion (Surely that is the most fundamental difference of them all. Christianity is the 'odd one out' of the Abrahamic religions purely by having the whole three for the price of one deal).

[Каие]

Some people have never been to Ireland then, in which some people actually thought the gods of 'Protestantism' or 'Catholicism' were different. Anything to separate from your 'enemies'.

By this theory, Yahweh, and Jehovah are not the same either, they are two very very different gods in the OT and NT.

[dwringer]

Well then Mohammed would be an agent of satan, but Allah would still have to be God - there is only ONE supernatural godhead. (Not sure if I used the word godhead correctly. Whatever.)

[Scar Face]

Well then Mohammed would be an agent of satan, but Allah would still have to be God - there is only ONE supernatural godhead. (Not sure if I used the word godhead correctly. Whatever.)

If Mohammed was inspired by Satan, than what Muslims perceive their God to be, Allah, his actions, his commandments, would be falsehoods spread from Satan as well. So no.

[dwringer]

If Mohammed was inspired by Satan, than what Muslims perceive their God to be, Allah, his actions, his commandments, would be falsehoods spread from Satan as well. So no.

But Muslims perceive their God to be the Christian God. They simply have a different understanding of earlier religious texts because they believe even though they are ALL the word of god, only the Koran is recent enough to be uncorrupted. Thus the same logic could be used by Christians toward the Muslim God, just that the Koran was a set of lies influenced by Satan. The concept of Allah is still the Christian God, and believed by Muslims as such.

[Scar Face]

But Muslims perceive their God to be the Christian God. They simply have a different understanding of earlier religious texts because they believe even though they are ALL the word of god, only the Koran is recent enough to be uncorrupted. Thus the same logic could be used by Christians toward the Muslim God, just that the Koran was a set of lies influenced by Satan. The concept of Allah is still the Christian God, and believed by Muslims as such.

It does not matter if the Muslims perceive the Christians to be following the same god, to be following the same tenets- the Christians do not agree. The Christians perceive Mohommads teachings to be heretical, satanic, and therefore completely and unequivocally a different God. One is God, and one is a false Idol, influenced by Satan.

[Robertus Coolicus]

Well then Mohammed would be an agent of satan, but Allah would still have to be God - there is only ONE supernatural godhead. (Not sure if I used the word godhead correctly. Whatever.)

God inspires men of all races with pieces of the truth.

Satan cannot work against himself, even the most ardent atheist must agree that the stupidest way to win a 'war' is by shooting your own men.

.....Wait.......

USSR anyone?

[dwringer]

God inspires men of all races with pieces of the truth.

Satan cannot work against himself, even the most ardent atheist must agree that the stupidest way to win a 'war' is by shooting your own men.

.....Wait.......

USSR anyone?

Hehe, just for the record - PLEASE nobody think that I believe Mohammed to have been an agent of Satan. I'm speaking purely in the context of the argument

[nce_wht_guy]

Well, in their defence, they're not totally wrong. But I'd say that a lot of christians simply refuse to recognize the commonality between the two religions for one simple reason: P.R. They looked at 9/11 and other such events and have shamlessly exploited them to try to gain converts.