International Panic over Piracy Controversy

[Tajir]

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/20...t_10130741.htm

Ok, this topic is slightly different from the other piracy topics.

Today, it was fully uncovered through documents on the ship found by pirates that the recently-seized Belize-flagged Ukrainian vessel was headed towards Kenya with the intention of further moving the equipment to South Sudan's SLPA rebels - who are under a weapons embargo.

Its of course no surprise that, despite the fact that these tanks are supposedly Ukrainian - Russia and the US are in extreme panic mode.

My guess is that the US bought the old tanks from the Russians and is planning on giving them to the SPLA rebel army. However, just like Kenya is being used as a vessel to smuggle, the US/Russia are using neutral Ukraine contacts to get the weapons to the destination.

Kenya will be in deep crap along with those other named states for allowing their ports to be used as a smuggling point.



Your views?

[MadBurgerMaker]

Its of course no surprise that, despite the fact that these tanks are supposedly Ukrainian - Russia and the US are in extreme panic mode.

Could it just be that they don't want a battalion* of main battle tanks going just...anywhere?

*What is that really...about half a battalion, or so? Gruntspeak. Whatever.

[Burnum]

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/20...t_10130741.htm

Why do you use the Chinese State news agency, surely a more credible source can be found.

Today, it was fully uncovered through documents on the ship found by pirates that the recently-seized Belize-flagged Ukrainian vessel was headed towards Kenya with the intention of further moving the equipment to South Sudan's SLPA rebels - who are under a weapons embargo.

Wrong, according to the BBC:

Earlier reports suggested that the cargo had been destined for south Sudan, but Kenyan government spokesman Alfred Mutua confirmed the tanks were heading to Kenya.


"The cargo in the ship includes military hardware such as tanks and an assortment of spare parts for use by different branches of the Kenyan military," he said.

Its of course no surprise that, despite the fact that these tanks are supposedly Ukrainian - Russia and the US are in extreme panic mode.

Well, duh. We don't know who the Somali Pirates will sell the tank too, it's bad for the stability of many 3rd world countries if a battalion of tanks suddenly made it into the hands of their Rebels.

My guess is that the US bought the old tanks from the Russians and is planning on giving them to the SPLA rebel army.

Why buy the Tanks from Russia, considering that America could easily ship their own Tanks using arms dealers as middle men? They've done it before, in other conflicts.

However, just like Kenya is being used as a vessel to smuggle, the US/Russia are using neutral Ukraine contacts to get the weapons to the destination.

Please, this post smells like Somalian Piracy apologetics and conspiracy theories.

[Furious Mental]

A Chinese state news agency purporting to uncover weapons smuggling into Sudan? They could look alot closer to home for the same story.

[Claudius Gothicus]

I wonder what the hell are going to do the pirates with thirty or so tanks.

They could gave them a better use than ransom them for money.

[Erik]

Why buy the Tanks from Russia, considering that America could easily ship their own Tanks using arms dealers as middle men? They've done it before, in other conflicts.

South Sudan owning American tanks would look a lot more suspicious than them owning old Russian tanks.

America initially equipped Osama Bin Laden with Russian, instead of American, weapons for the same reason.
It took them a whole lot more time before they dared to equip the Muslim fundamentalists with Stinger rockets.

But I'm highly skeptical abut this story as well.

[Farnan]

South Sudan owning American tanks would look a lot more suspicious than them owning old Russian tanks.

America initially equipped Osama Bin Laden with Russian, instead of American, weapons for the same reason.
It took them a whole lot more time before they dared to equip the Muslim fundamentalists with Stinger rockets.

But I'm highly skeptical abut this story as well.

We would buy the tanks from old munitions places in countries like Albania, Poland or the Baltic States...aka nations that wouldn't have anything to gain by ratting us out and making us look bad.

[danzig]

South Sudan owning American tanks would look a lot more suspicious than them owning old Russian tanks.

America initially equipped Osama Bin Laden with Russian, instead of American, weapons for the same reason.
It took them a whole lot more time before they dared to equip the Muslim fundamentalists with Stinger rockets.

Except the US never equipped Osama Bin Laden....nice try with nonsense though.

[Furious Mental]

Money and arms were sent to the mujahideen in huge quantities. The sole conduit for this was Pakistan (since it couldn't be arranged via Iran obviously) and the body essentially in charge of it was the ISI. The ISI distributed this aid according to its own interests and predominantly to its client Gulbudin Hekmatyar. However, one of the organisations that worked with and received aid from the ISI was Al Qaeda. There were numerous other fundamentalist groups that were also involved, some of which have since merged into Al Qaeda. The CIA and other Western intelligence agencies were well aware of who was ultimately benefitting from the money and arms which they sent to be distributed at the discretion of the ISI, but did not consider it to be of any concern. So one cannot say the US armed Al Qaeda in the strict sense that it handed them weapons. However, it sent weapons to the ISI knowing but not caring whose hands they would end up in.

[Darsh]

Pirates will use the thanks such as submarines for launch undersea assaults.

[Perkele]

These tanks were dispatched by Russia and USA together, to create an atmosphere of fear. Fear of what you ask? Fear of return of communism. It has afterall been a generation since communism fell and the cold war ended. And the leaders don't like the fact that the new generation has forgotten what fear is. When they don't fear, they question. And when they question, someone must answer. And that can't be.

The war on terror has died down, it is now a skirmish somewhere in the borderlands of civilisation. No one cares of it anymore. The ruling class requires another war, or fear of one, to cloud the minds of the people. They did this by first expanding NATO to border Russia, then they initiated the clash in Georgia which created fears of return of Russian imperialism. Now these task were dispatched into Africa to initiate another communist uprising, which will escalate into several quasi-wars between the seemingly hostile superpowers- all for the profits of the capitalist.

The current depression which you might have heard of is simply another set of smoke and mirrors, made to confuse the everyday man of what is truly going on; and to, as always, create more profit for the ever-hungry capitalis pigs.


All that stands in the way of their plans, is the brave and honorable Somali coastal guard.

[Viking Prince]

These tanks were dispatched by Russia and USA together, to create an atmosphere of fear. Fear of what you ask? Fear of return of communism. It has afterall been a generation since communism fell and the cold war ended. And the leaders don't like the fact that the new generation has forgotten what fear is. When they don't fear, they question. And when they question, someone must answer. And that can't be.

The war on terror has died down, it is now a skirmish somewhere in the borderlands of civilisation. No one cares of it anymore. The ruling class requires another war, or fear of one, to cloud the minds of the people. They did this by first expanding NATO to border Russia, then they initiated the clash in Georgia which created fears of return of Russian imperialism. Now these task were dispatched into Africa to initiate another communist uprising, which will escalate into several quasi-wars between the seemingly hostile superpowers- all for the profits of the capitalist.

The current depression which you might have heard of is simply another set of smoke and mirrors, made to confuse the everyday man of what is truly going on; and to, as always, create more profit for the ever-hungry capitalis pigs.


All that stands in the way of their plans, is the brave and honorable Somali coastal guard.

No basis in fact and no sources to back up assertions. CONSPIRACY!!!!!

[Axeman]

[Darsh]

+rep

[Perkele]

Satire, truly a lost art. To majority of readers, that is.

[Viking Prince]

Satire, truly a lost art. To majority of readers, that is.

Could be the artist? Maybe?

[Tajir]

Ok, I admit all the facts aren't there, but is it hard to believe that the US might buy weapons from Russia and smuggle them to SPLA rebels?

Here's the deal, I heard about this story two days before it was leaked. I heard it the day of the pirate attack.

A South Sudanese friend, many in fact, were up in arms about how their peoples' leaders should have better friends in Mombasa, whom they can trust.

Here, read this topic from a Sudanese forum if you want any further proof.

http://sudanforum.net/showthread.php?t=38521

I've lived in Kenya before and I can assure you that Mombasa, the destination port, has been used as an SPLA smuggling point for many years, even decades.

[Farnan]

Ok, I admit all the facts aren't there, but is it hard to believe that the US might buy weapons from Russia and smuggle them to SPLA rebels?

So the US is going to buy weapons from a rival who would love to hurt their international image for a clandestine act?

[Thanatos]

So the US is going to buy weapons from a rival who would love to hurt their international image for a clandestine act?

Not likely, but I could see it happening.

[The King Of Peasants]

I congratulate you on the lack of propaganda but conspiracies aren't too much better...