Freedom from Thought; Boy Suspended for T-Shirt

[Da Skinna]

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/958126/

Okay, so the kid's name is Daxx. The father is a proud conservative who thinks education has to do with liberalism.

To me this isn't about freedom of speech, this was their freedom from thought, and they exercised it.

If you think Obama is just a name close to Osama and he'll invite terrorists into the country, and attend controversial anti-abortion rallies and name your kid "Daxx"... you might just be a redneck.

[Milos98]

If you think Obama is just a name close to Osama and he'll invite terrorists into the country, and attend controversial anti-abortion rallies and name your kid "Daxx"... you might just be a redneck.

Call me neck, Redneck.
Altrough anti-abortion rallies are good...

[Viking Prince]

The father is an idiot. The 11 year old child has limited if any rights to speech. Daddy's magic marker t-shirt was not what caused the problem. It was the kid creating a ruckus which was probably caused by interaction with the other kids. It started on the playground before start of session and continued into the math class. The teacher sent the kid to the principal and was then given an option of turning the t-shirt inside out or going home. Heck when I was 11 I also would have taken the send me home option.

[Farnan]

It has been legally established in many courts that schools have a right to set dress codes and order the changing of disruptive clothing.

[danzig]

Im more concerned with a school assigning an essay on why Palin shouldnt be vp rather then them enforcing dress code. School has every to decide what a student can or cannot wear...provided it is consistent. No reason to believe this isnt the case here. Schools are for teaching not a forum for the political views of parent OR teacher regardless of political view point.

[antares24]

Im more concerned with a school assigning an essay on why Palin shouldnt be vp rather then them enforcing dress code. School has every to decide what a student can or cannot wear...provided it is consistent. No reason to believe this isnt the case here. Schools are for teaching not a forum for the political views of parent OR teacher regardless of political view point.

there you have it, if a guy was arrested or forced to remove a t-shirt while walking in a park there would be a problem, but a school has every right to eastablish a dress code (not to mention that a men should be beaten for sending his 11 year old to school with a political message).

I also loved the father in the video saying "it's against the constitution!!". Yeah dude you probably never ever read it and even in that case you probably don't understand nothing of it or the way every article is interpreted and applied in real situations, love rednecks nuts who think they're constitutional law experts

PS. The Palin essay thing is really true?

[God-Emperor of Mankind]

Freedom of thought ??
He is 11, he doesn't have a political opinion yet, atleast not one of his own.

It has been legally established in many courts that schools have a right to set dress codes and order the changing of disruptive clothing.

Well there you have it.

[attilavolciak07]

It has been legally established in many courts that schools have a right to set dress codes and order the changing of disruptive clothing.

I'm not an expert in American politics and government, but doesn't school technically break the Constitution in this small matter if it decides what can or can't be worn, thus breaking the freedom of speech?

[Farnan]

I'm not an expert in American politics and government, but doesn't school technically break the Constitution in this small matter if it decides what can or can't be worn, thus breaking the freedom of speech?

I think it falls under you can't scream fire in a crowded building clause. Meaning that Freedom of Speech is limited when it interferes with others ability to learn.

[Каие]

It has been legally established in many courts that schools have a right to set dress codes and order the changing of disruptive clothing.

Exactly what I was going to post. In my school we had a little uniform, and if you did your hair in a 'inappropriate' way, you would go home or be forced to wash it out etc.

[MaximiIian]

It has been legally established in many courts that schools have a right to set dress codes and order the changing of disruptive clothing.

IMO, the courts are wrong. I experienced dress codes and school uniforms in my youth. They are tools of fascism, social control, and totalitarianism, and I don't think strict dress codes are right, under any circumstances.

I don't agree with what the boy had on his shirt; in fact, I think it's just plain ignorant and stupid. But I do not think it is right for a school to be allowed to set dress codes that limit freedom of expression.

[Viking Prince]

IMO, the courts are wrong. I experienced dress codes and school uniforms in my youth. They are tools of fascism, social control, and totalitarianism, and I don't think strict dress codes are right, under any circumstances.

I don't agree with what the boy had on his shirt; in fact, I think it's just plain ignorant and stupid. But I do not think it is right for a school to be allowed to set dress codes that limit freedom of expression.

The school did not limit freedom of expression, just freedom to dirupt a math class. Read the news orgs and digest.

[Talbaz]

ahh the clause of you can do what you want,say,eat,buy(ok almost on that one), etc along as it doesn't interfere with other peoples rights and freedoms

kid wore shirt shirt sent as distraction kid refuses to take off kids gets send home case closed

similar to me getting a detention in 2nd grade for going up to the teacher as asking if i can go to the office of course i was then gone from school for 3 days very sick and come back and find i got a detention for disturbing the class of course i still fail to see why no one fail to notice this and repeal the detention after the fact seeing as i was only doing what i had been told to do IE tell the teacher am not feeling good and ask to go to the office

[MaximiIian]

The school did not limit freedom of expression, just freedom to disrupt a math class. Read the news orgs and digest.

I did. I agree that it was disruptive to the class, contained an ignorant and stupid statement, and the father is more or less forcing his ideals on his young child. All of which is wrong.


But, on principle, I do not think that schools should set dress codes. I experienced firsthand what happens when dress codes and uniforms are used as a tool of fascism by a school administration. I hated that experience, and so on principle, I will oppose anything even coming close to that by any school.

You underestimate how much I despise school uniforms.

[Da Skinna]

Why is learning "liberal"?

[scottishranger]

The Supreme Court has the ability to interpret the Constitution, and its say is final.

[LoZz]

man if i was this boys father id of given him a good hiding and grounded him till christmas for being such an arse. an 11 year old hasnt got any rights to expression or speech, apart from those granted by parents and schools. if it was just a simple t-shirt that said obama or mccain or even a normal joking "mocking" t-shirt like you can buy in a store, then fine. but that? please was a loser!

[DimondLight]

man if i was this boys father id of given him a good hiding and grounded him till christmas for being such an arse. an 11 year old hasnt got any rights to expression or speech, apart from those granted by parents and schools. if it was just a simple t-shirt that said obama or mccain or even a normal joking "mocking" t-shirt like you can buy in a store, then fine. but that? please was a loser!

Eh, his father is the one that made the shirt if I understand this correctly.

[Thanatos]

Sorry, you don't have a right to free speech at school. Every school has some guidelines as to what can and cannot be worn.

[Hmmm]

Sorry, you don't have a right to free speech at school.

Right, but it's retarded none the less. If the teacher says something stupid and obviously wrong, shouldn't the student be allowed to question it? Not according to you, since you apparently don't have the right to free speech.

I mean I hope you're aware of the fact that a student should very much be allowed to think for him/herself and have the right to express their opinion about anything. Age has nothing to do with this, what you're saying is basically "You've got freedom of expression as long as you agree with us", because I'm damn sure you wouldn't have thought it a big deal had the kid came in with a shirt where it'd simply say "Support Obama" or "Support McCain". Sure, what was written on the shirt might have been stupid, uninformed and offensive, but the kid should still be allowed to wear that shirt if he wants to. On the other hand, the teacher shouldn't have a flying to say about the kids political opinion.