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    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080925/...as_afghanistan
    By FISNIK ABRASHI, Associated Press Writer
    1 hour, 42 minutes ago


    KABUL, Afghanistan - Pakistani troops fired at American reconnaissance helicopters near the Afghan-Pakistan border Thursday, and ground troops then exchanged fire, the U.S. military said.
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    No injuries were reported, but the incident heightened tensions as the U.S. steps up cross-border operations in a volatile region known as a haven for Taliban and al-Qaida militants.
    Two American OH-58 reconnaissance helicopters, known as Kiowas, were on a routine afternoon patrol in the eastern province of Khost when they received small-arms fire from a Pakistani border post, said Tech Sgt. Kevin Wallace, a U.S. military spokesman. There was no damage to aircraft or crew, officials said.
    U.S. Central Command spokesman Rear Adm. Greg Smith said Pakistan and American ground troops exchanged fire after Pakistani forces shot at the helicopters.
    He said a joint patrol of Americans and Afghan border police was moving about a mile and a half inside Afghanistan with the helicopters above them. The ground troops reported that Pakistani forces fired toward the helicopters and when they saw that happen, they fired off suppression rounds toward the hilltop.
    They did so, Smith said from Centcom headquarters in Tampa, Fla., "to make certain that they (the Pakistanis) realized they should stop shooting."
    The Pakistani border patrol forces then shot back down on the joint location of the U.S.-Afghan patrol. "The whole thing lasted five minutes," Smith said.
    The Pakistani military, however, said its troops fired warning shots after the helicopters crossed "well within" Pakistani territory.
    "On this, the helicopters returned fire and flew back," the Pakistani military said in an English-language statement.
    And in New York, Pakistan's new president, Asif Ali Zardari, said his military fired only "flares" at foreign helicopters that he claimed strayed across the border from Afghanistan.
    Zardari said his forces fired only as a way "to make sure that they know that they crossed the border line."
    "Sometimes the border is so mixed that they don't realize they have crossed the border," he told reporters before he began a meeting with Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice.
    The Pakistani military said the matter was "being resolved" in consultations between the army and the NATO force in Afghanistan. A NATO statement said the militaries were "working together to resolve the matter."
    The U.S. has stepped up attacks on suspected militants in the frontier area, mostly by missiles fired from unmanned drones operating from Afghanistan. The incursions — especially a ground raid into South Waziristan by American commandos Sept. 3 — have angered many Pakistanis.
    Pakistani army spokesman Maj. Gen. Athar Abbas said last week that Pakistani field commanders have previously tolerated international forces crossing a short way into Pakistan because of the ill-defined and contested nature of the mountainous frontier.
    "But after the (Sept. 3) incident, the orders are clear," Abbas said. "In case it happens again in this form, that there is a very significant detection, which is very definite, no ambiguity, across the border, on ground or in the air: open fire."
    On Wednesday, Pakistan's army said it had found the wreckage of a suspected surveillance drone in South Waziristan, but denied claims by Pakistani intelligence officials that troops and local people shot down the aircraft.
    In Washington, Defense Department spokesman Bryan Whitman said the coalition immediately requested an explanation from Pakistan for what he described as a "troubling" incident.
    "It would be fairly hard to mistake a helicopter flying in that region as anything but ISAF or U.S.," Whitman said.
    He said militants have always tried to exploit the border region.
    "It's a challenge along the border and that's why we continue to look for ways to improve our coordination," Whitman said.
    Asked how Pakistani forces could mistake U.S. helicopters for enemy forces — especially since Taliban and al-Qaida forces don't have aircraft — Whitman said: "Only Pakistan can articulate their intent."
    Pakistani civilian leaders have condemned the cross-border operations by U.S. forces, which have been authorized by President Bush, while the army has vowed to defend Pakistan's territory "at all cost."
    "We will not tolerate any act against our sovereignty and integrity in the name of the war against terrorism," Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani told journalists Wednesday. "We are fighting extremism and terror not for any another country, but our own country. This is our own war."
    Pakistan's tribal areas have become a breeding ground for Taliban and al-Qaida militants, who are launching attacks inside Pakistan but also across the border into Afghanistan, where the levels of violence have reached record heights since the ouster of the Taliban from power in the U.S.-led invasion in 2001.
    More than 4,600 people — mostly militants — have died this year in insurgency-related violence in Afghanistan, and the levels of violence in the eastern Afghanistan are 30 percent higher compared to the same period last year, officials say.




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    Knock Knock!

    Who's there?

    WW3!!

    The next few years on god's good earth should be interesting.




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    Quote Originally Posted by DekuTrash View Post
    Knock Knock!

    Who's there?

    WW3!!

    The next few years on god's good earth should be interesting.

    If there's a war Pakistan loses.

    Shaheen-II, Pakistans longest range missile launcher, has a range of only 3,800 km.

    Sure, they could sneak bombs in in suitcases. A few cities possibly get blown up if we can secure their suitcase-bombs in time, but Pakistan still loses.

    Woo, go America!




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    Quote Originally Posted by Justice and Mercy View Post
    If there's a war Pakistan loses.

    Shaheen-II, Pakistans longest range missile launcher, has a range of only 3,800 km.

    Sure, they could sneak bombs in in suitcases. A few cities possibly get blown up if we can secure their suitcase-bombs in time, but Pakistan still loses.

    Woo, go America!




    ... to be clear, I know this is an over-simplified view. Just having fun.
    ah but then Adminijad has a seizure and fires nukes (which he probobly has) at us and then we get pissed off and well...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan Industries View Post
    ah but then Adminijad has a seizure and fires nukes (which he probobly has) at us and then we get pissed off and well...
    Fires at what?

    He might hit a few military installations in the Mid-East... and POSSIBLY even Europe (but thinking about who else would go with those installations, it's a fair trade), but wouldn't hurt us too much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Justice and Mercy View Post
    Fires at what?

    He might hit a few military installations in the Mid-East... and POSSIBLY even Europe (but thinking about who else would go with those installations, it's a fair trade), but wouldn't hurt us too much.
    If he hits Israel that would probably cause a lot of problems in the mideast.

    That is IF he had nukes and were stupid enough to use them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Justice and Mercy View Post
    Fires at what?

    He might hit a few military installations in the Mid-East... and POSSIBLY even Europe (but thinking about who else would go with those installations, it's a fair trade), but wouldn't hurt us too much.
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    I believe America fired back, right? But there will be no World War 3, the United States will deny they even tried to go over the border in the first place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by attilavolciak07 View Post
    I believe America fired back, right? But there will be no World War 3, the United States will deny they even tried to go over the border in the first place.

    Of course they will, but little things lead up to big crap later on, who knows?



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    =earth

    This does no bode well
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    What is Pakistan playing at, they put more effort into shooting their allies, and the Afghans then the Taliban, I question their loyalty...

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    It seems that they couldn't care less about the terrorists and extremists held up in the tribal areas just over their border, but when it comes to American forces chasing them down, border security suddenly becomes a very high priority.

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    Who are you going to beleive as far as boarder goes? The United States with it's GPS technology? Or some Pakistanis with a compass?
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    There's not going to be a WW3 because some pakistani guys fired at an american helicopter in the border.
    Things'll be exactly the same american or NATO troops'll keep on tracing taliban militia and this incidents'll reapeat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Claudius Gothicus View Post
    There's not going to be a WW3 because some pakistani guys fired at an american helicopter in the border.
    Things'll be exactly the same american or NATO troops'll keep on tracing taliban militia and this incidents'll reapeat.

    So, what's gonna happen if the Pakistanis manage to kill a few U.S. soldiers?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Claudius Gothicus View Post
    There's not going to be a WW3 because some pakistani guys fired at an american helicopter in the border.
    Things'll be exactly the same american or NATO troops'll keep on tracing taliban militia and this incidents'll reapeat.
    Yeah , no war ever started because of the deaths of a few...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_I

    Oooooh yeah

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    Quote Originally Posted by André Masséna View Post
    Who are you going to beleive as far as boarder goes? The United States with it's GPS technology? Or some Pakistanis with a compass?
    Hell yeah, what do those cavemen know, they just built their border post there for fun.

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    Why not use S.A.M to destroy it?

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    Ha! Andrea, nice point! Remind me to rep you...
    If yer going to leave some rep be sure to leave your name so I can return the favor
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