Weird fight

[Silent Assassin]

played as Venice VH/VH.

I was at war with Milan. A single General showed up in our lands, so I send half of my army out to kill him. I killed all but the general and one bodyguard. Alas, I couldn't follow him with my army. So I send one unit of Peasent Archers after them from another city.

They got them in the mountains.

With the first salvo, they killed the remaining Bodyguard. But then, all went horribly wrong. This SINGLE damned General managed to kill all but 4 of my 60 Archers. Four managed to run away. And then came the BEST part. The one dead Bodyguard healed himself. Ahhhhhrg!

Now I was really angry about him. So I send out a unit of Italian Spear Milita and a unit of Pavese Crossbow Militia. And then I thought, what will go on in their (my units) minds. "Oh, yes, they said there were only two men in this mountains. But ask these poor Bastards wich they send to get them first. Only four of sixty returned. You can't tell me that TWO men killed all these soldiers. I promise you, when we are at the mountians, we will discover a Dragon, Cyclops or a even worse creature. I have a bad feeling about this mission."

But my brave soldiers slaughtered the two men and I will never underestimate the power of a general cornered in the mountains.

What a weird fight.

[Dead Sun]

yes, a very weird fight
it PO's me as well how deadly the generals are... and how weak mine are. I once had a general that died to a peasant archer...In melee.

[Silent Assassin]

yes, a very weird fight
it PO's me as well how deadly the generals are... and how weak mine are. I once had a general that died to a peasant archer...In melee.

I know that when some generals are getting better they can have a trait that gives them 8 hit points, I once have one like that and he could kill an entire unit on his own

[D.B. Cooper]

Generals are too strong, and this is the perfect example.

[Drox]

I know that when some generals are getting better they can have a trait that gives them 8 hit points, I once have one like that and he could kill an entire unit on his own

I had that happen once it was actually pretty cool. I wonder what the highest possible HP is for a general?

Out of curiosity how does HP work? I know most units have 1hp. Does that mean if they get hit once they die, where is if they had 2hp they could be hit and still live until they are hit again or something? I never really have understood what determains whether a individual soilder blocks an attack or is hit.

[Silent Assassin]

I had that happen once it was actually pretty cool. I wonder what the highest possible HP is for a general?

Out of curiosity how does HP work? I know most units have 1hp. Does that mean if they get hit once they die, where is if they had 2hp they could be hit and still live until they are hit again or something? I never really have understood what determains whether a individual soilder blocks an attack or is hit.

If you take the general with 8 hit points that means that he will need that number of hit atleast beacuse they are already strong without that trait. I think not sure tought that they get that trait when the player is fighting alot with their General unit.:hmmm:

[Tsarevna]

yes, a very weird fight
it PO's me as well how deadly the generals are... and how weak mine are. I once had a general that died to a peasant archer...In melee.

That's how I captured the Pope. The peasant archers were in the town square of Bologna, which the Pope attacked, in person, with his bodyguard and army. So, the peasants didn't retreat! They pulled him right off his horse then I pressed the execute button for the prisoners, including the Pope, right after the battle.

The game can be so strange sometimes, but so funny!

[MedievalDragoon]

That's how I captured the Pope. The peasant archers were in the town square of Bologna, which the Pope attacked, in person, with his bodyguard and army. So, the peasants didn't retreat! They pulled him right off his horse then I pressed the execute button for the prisoners, including the Pope, right after the battle.

The game can be so strange sometimes, but so funny!

that is funny!

[Pfundner]

hehe i bet those pavise crossbowmen were up all night making sure their bolts were extra pointy...

[Dead Sun]

i was at first confused when it said 2HP and my generals were getting hit loads of times but not dying. So yh, the 2HP just means they live longer than the average troop, its notsomething to measure i dont think

[Surgeon]

Yes the generals can be quite powerful, but then again a group of Peasant Archers isn't exactly the penultimate melee infantry out there (indeed, they are weaker than NE peasants). If that general had remained at a distance they would have nailed him.

I was once being besieged by Hungary playing as the Byzantines, and by the end of the battle all that was left of our armies was a unit of Trebizond Archers and the enemy's bodyguard. Well, my archers killed them all except the general from atop the wall, but then the sneaky bastard parked his horse right at the foot of the wall where I couldn't get at him. I decided "oh what the hell there's 60 of them" and sent my archers down to kill him. They died and I lost the settlement :/

[Five_of_Swords]

uh...what you guys dont understand is that this imbalance was not strange for the medieval era battles. In fact if anything, its not imbalanced enough...military history of the medieval period is full of battles like....10 teutonic knights vs 2,000 egyptian soldiers, knights win. So yeah, respect the heavy cavalry.

[cottontail]

uh...what you guys dont understand is that this imbalance was not strange for the medieval era battles. In fact if anything, its not imbalanced enough...military history of the medieval period is full of battles like....10 teutonic knights vs 2,000 egyptian soldiers, knights win. So yeah, respect the heavy cavalry.

what kind of Egyptian soldiers are you talking about? Peasants with sticks? I can assure you that the Egyptian Mamluks were more than a match for any knight. 100 mamluks defeated a force of 1000 knights once. So yeah, respect those Egyptians.

[Dead Sun]

is that a bit eccentric or are you being completely serious?

[abandit99]

generals are very very strong.
not sure on the higest amount of hitpoints u can get but my highest to date was:
+2 default, +2 Being Healthy, +6 Fine armour, +8 Brutally scarred.
thats 18 hit points
one hit from a cannon tower, during a siege, took him out before i cud do any damage with him tho.
After upgrading my armoursmiths most of my generals have fine armour which makes them last soooo much long in battle.

[Silent Assassin]

is that a bit eccentric or are you being completely serious?

No SunTzunman he is fooling around


@ Five of swords
You almost got us here It is impossible for that to really happen. The best story that exist and is probably one of the best is the stroy of the Greeks Spartia against the Perse.

[Five_of_Swords]

no im actually being serious, ready history yourself, the technological difference between various units and many successes basically is what brought euope to the rather exaggerated idea that a handful of knights can defeat any number of lowly foot soldiers.. in fact they usually did. occasional exceptions like alexander nevsky etc were quite rare. im not disrespecting egypt or anything haha...its not nationality based, its the difference in technological strength of various soldiers in the middle ages...egypt has its own elites, sure. But historically i dont recal anything about 'mamluks'....the main elite havy cavalry egypt had was the armenian cavalry, just as effective as european knights.
also, rebel, u watch too many movies. it was athens, not sparta.

[A.Gentleman]

Five Swords is, indeed, correct. It is all largely based on technology and training. I believe it was Cortez who, with only 200 men, slaughtered 50 000 in a matter of hours. One of the biggest cultural losses ever. Don't quote me on the numbers but it really was something rediculously high.
The aztecz there had no armour, any weapons they had were made of stone and were no match for the steel armour and weapons of the spanish.

My first real post here
A.Gentleman

[Silent Assassin]

no im actually being serious, ready history yourself, the technological difference between various units and many successes basically is what brought euope to the rather exaggerated idea that a handful of knights can defeat any number of lowly foot soldiers.. in fact they usually did. occasional exceptions like alexander nevsky etc were quite rare. im not disrespecting egypt or anything haha...its not nationality based, its the difference in technological strength of various soldiers in the middle ages...egypt has its own elites, sure. But historically i dont recal anything about 'mamluks'....the main elite havy cavalry egypt had was the armenian cavalry, just as effective as european knights.
also, rebel, u watch too many movies. it was athens, not sparta.

Oups sorry but it always depends on who you are facing.

For the Spartiates yes I know it was them and not the Sparta movie Duh... I just didn't explain it well

[gil-galad]

They are not all that imba. Sometimes they just die during first charge. My faction leader (8 command full chilvary...) died while charging some spear militia from behind and after 4 turns his successor died in same fashion. Weird thing was they were the only ones died.
However those of you played shogun should know what imba was. Single general was able to hold off vast amounts of no-dachi samurais and warrior monks for many minutes and yet able to run away.