Are European Muslims the new Jews?

[Farnan]

The rhetoric about Muslims seems to be getting similiar to the pre-1945 rhetoric in Europe about the Jewish peoples (Not talking about Hitler, talking about Europe as a whole). They seem to be the conveniant scapegoats and source of hate by the far right, just like the other group.

[Axeman]

I was actually making that analogy in a term paper I had to write about the effects of Muslims in the area of what used to be Yugoslavia , and I pretty much agree.

[Burnum]

The rhetoric about Muslims seems to be getting similiar to the pre-1945 rhetoric in Europe about the Jewish peoples (Not talking about Hitler, talking about Europe as a whole). They seem to be the conveniant scapegoats and source of hate by the far right, just like the other group.

It's often been said that Anti-Muslim sentiment has its roots in antisemitism.

I was actually making that analogy in a term paper I had to write about the effects of Muslims in the area of what used to be Yugoslavia , and I pretty much agree.

Interesting enough, Chief Rabbi Jonathan Sacks wrote this about persecution of Bosniaks in the Bosnian Civil war:

In 1993 we are faced with a question that demands an answer for the sake of humanity itself. Does nothing change? Have the millions of pages written on bias and prejudice since the second world war proved powerless to prevent their recurrence? Can we stand a bare half century after the Holocaust in a Europe that has replaced the word Judenrein with the equally repellant phrase “ethnic cleansing”, and not ask the question: “Were we wrong to say ‘Never again’?” History is not a film endlessly repeating itself. The ending has not been written. The Bible says: “Behold I set before you today the blessing and the curse, life and death. Therefore choose life.” History is made by our choices. And nothing that has happened in the past forces us to let it happen again. There are too many parallels between the mood of Europe now and the mood 100 years ago; and we have too much knowledge to ignore the line that leads from hatred to holocaust. [83]

[Axeman]

It's often been said that Anti-Muslim sentiment has its roots in antisemitism.

No , it has its roots in human ignorance just like any racisim.

[Burnum]

No , it has its roots in human ignorance just like any racisim.

Of course, I meant most Virulent Anti-Muslims are also Antisemitic.

[Mythos]

Of course, I meant most Virulent Anti-Muslims are also Antisemitic.

So are the most virulent muslims...

[Furious Mental]

To the extent that muslims are hated by the far right, yes they are the new Jews, but who cares? The far right seems to hate practically everyone.

I also notice that these sorts of discussions, whether they on the internet, radio, television or print media, always seem to draw the comparison with Jews under Nazism. It seems as though that is a desirable rhetorical device. Why don't we also have a thread called 'Are muslims the new terminally ill?' or 'Are muslims the new communists?', or 'Are muslims the new homosexuals?'

[Erik]

No , it has its roots in human ignorance just like any racisim.

I think it has its root in the basic human nature of wanting to blame your problems on somebody else.

Who hate Muslims?
Almost exclusively people that have failed in life, not successful people.
Instead of trying harder to get a proper job, they like to pretend it's the Muslims who caused them to loose their job.

[Ryan Industries]

It's often been said that Anti-Muslim sentiment has its roots in antisemitism.

Interesting enough, Chief Rabbi Jonathan Sacks wrote this about persecution of Bosniaks in the Bosnian Civil war:

In 1993 we are faced with a question that demands an answer for the sake of humanity itself. Does nothing change? Have the millions of pages written on bias and prejudice since the second world war proved powerless to prevent their recurrence? Can we stand a bare half century after the Holocaust in a Europe that has replaced the word Judenrein with the equally repellant phrase “ethnic cleansing”, and not ask the question: “Were we wrong to say ‘Never again’?” History is not a film endlessly repeating itself. The ending has not been written. The Bible says: “Behold I set before you today the blessing and the curse, life and death. Therefore choose life.” History is made by our choices. And nothing that has happened in the past forces us to let it happen again. There are too many parallels between the mood of Europe now and the mood 100 years ago; and we have too much knowledge to ignore the line that leads from hatred to holocaust. [83]

No.

The jews were not one of the worlds largest ethnicities in the world during the 1930's-1940's. The jews did not attempt to kill and murder another "minority". And the jews most certainly didn not have their own countries they can go to in the face of oppression.

[Ulyaoth]

Are Europeans claiming the Muslims are trying to make secret pacts with the devil and communists to take over the world, or that they already control everything and are trying to take further control? If not, then how is it like antisemitism from the 30s and 40s?

[Kiljan Arslan]

Seems erily similar






and the Muslim haters have replaced pacts with satan with pacts liberals.

[Justice and Mercy]

Seems erily similar






and the Muslim haters have replaced pacts with satan with pacts liberals.

Pacts with liberals are a little more rational to believe in than pacts with satan, though the difference between the two is minimal.

[Kiljan Arslan]

Pacts with liberals are a little more rational to believe in than pacts with satan, though the difference between the two is minimal.

Thats how funny that is keep the comments coming.

[Burnum]

Are Europeans claiming the Muslims are trying to make secret pacts with the devil and communists to take over the world, or that they already control everything and are trying to take further control?

Here's an example on our Forum:

Indeed, leftists are the biggest allies of islamism in Europe. To the point of having enlisted the cause of islam in their ranks. Leftists have always been shortsighted, alas.

[mongrel]

Are Europeans claiming the Muslims are trying to make secret pacts with the devil and communists to take over the world, or that they already control everything and are trying to take further control? If not, then how is it like antisemitism from the 30s and 40s?

Look at my old Mosquitoes thread. You will see what he means. There are too many ludicrous made up media stories to put this down to normal everyday politics.



http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=169269&highlight=mosquito

[Scar Face]

The rhetoric about Muslims seems to be getting similiar to the pre-1945 rhetoric in Europe about the Jewish peoples (Not talking about Hitler, talking about Europe as a whole). They seem to be the conveniant scapegoats and source of hate by the far right, just like the other group.

Oh quite this white guilt crap. We aren't, not even the far right, a bunch of knee jerk reactionaries who are just looking for an excuse to lynch. Muslims causing problems in Europe are well documented historical fact, not to mention their quick out-breeding of the natives. The connections with Jews is completely flawed, as they were a totally assimilated extreme minority. The Muslims are not- at all. Europe was in the depths of economic and social upheaval- they are not right now, at all.

Criticism against a minority does not necessarily equate prejudice, irrational fear, or potential violence. Take this crap elsewhere. Kthxbye.

[Kiljan Arslan]

Yeah criticism is great I think its great to criticise those muslims who don't try to assimilate. However attacking them for wanting to build places to practice their own religion and attacking them for having children definatly are not that.

[cottontail]

Yeah criticism is great I think its great to criticise those muslims who don't try to assimilate. However attacking them for wanting to build places to practice their own religion and attacking them for having children definatly are not that.

I believe that is the minority of the population. Luckily they will ( probably) never get any power. I believe that Europe's problem with the muslims is similar to our American dislike of Mexican immigration ( not trying to be racist here, infact many of my friends are Mexicans, and so are my cousins). We just don't like loads of mostly uneducated people coming here and having to pay for them and their kids ( again, not trying to be racist). Of course, I could have easily misjudged the situation.

[Justice and Mercy]

Yeah criticism is great I think its great to criticise those muslims who don't try to assimilate.

Of course you do. You're great hero is Teddy-bear.

He was a racist too.

[Scar Face]

Of course you do. You're great hero is Teddy-bear.

He was a racist too.

Cultures are not a race.