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    Obama and Ayers
    Pushed Radicalism
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    Despite having authored two autobiographies, Barack Obama has never written about his most important executive experience. From 1995 to 1999, he led an education foundation called the Chicago Annenberg Challenge (CAC), and remained on the board until 2001. The group poured more than $100 million into the hands of community organizers and radical education activists.

    The CAC was the brainchild of Bill Ayers, a founder of the Weather Underground in the 1960s. Among other feats, Mr. Ayers and his cohorts bombed the Pentagon, and he has never expressed regret for his actions. Barack Obama's first run for the Illinois State Senate was launched at a 1995 gathering at Mr. Ayers's home.

    The Obama campaign has struggled to downplay that association. Last April, Sen. Obama dismissed Mr. Ayers as just "a guy who lives in my neighborhood," and "not somebody who I exchange ideas with on a regular basis." Yet documents in the CAC archives make clear that Mr. Ayers and Mr. Obama were partners in the CAC. Those archives are housed in the Richard J. Daley Library at the University of Illinois at Chicago and I've recently spent days looking through them.

    The Chicago Annenberg Challenge was created ostensibly to improve Chicago's public schools. The funding came from a national education initiative by Ambassador Walter Annenberg. In early 1995, Mr. Obama was appointed the first chairman of the board, which handled fiscal matters. Mr. Ayers co-chaired the foundation's other key body, the "Collaborative," which shaped education policy.

    The CAC's basic functioning has long been known, because its annual reports, evaluations and some board minutes were public. But the Daley archive contains additional board minutes, the Collaborative minutes, and documentation on the groups that CAC funded and rejected. The Daley archives show that Mr. Obama and Mr. Ayers worked as a team to advance the CAC agenda.

    One unsettled question is how Mr. Obama, a former community organizer fresh out of law school, could vault to the top of a new foundation? In response to my questions, the Obama campaign issued a statement saying that Mr. Ayers had nothing to do with Obama's "recruitment" to the board. The statement says Deborah Leff and Patricia Albjerg Graham (presidents of other foundations) recruited him. Yet the archives show that, along with Ms. Leff and Ms. Graham, Mr. Ayers was one of a working group of five who assembled the initial board in 1994. Mr. Ayers founded CAC and was its guiding spirit. No one would have been appointed the CAC chairman without his approval.

    The CAC's agenda flowed from Mr. Ayers's educational philosophy, which called for infusing students and their parents with a radical political commitment, and which downplayed achievement tests in favor of activism. In the mid-1960s, Mr. Ayers taught at a radical alternative school, and served as a community organizer in Cleveland's ghetto.

    In works like "City Kids, City Teachers" and "Teaching the Personal and the Political," Mr. Ayers wrote that teachers should be community organizers dedicated to provoking resistance to American racism and oppression. His preferred alternative? "I'm a radical, Leftist, small 'c' communist," Mr. Ayers said in an interview in Ron Chepesiuk's, "Sixties Radicals," at about the same time Mr. Ayers was forming CAC.

    CAC translated Mr. Ayers's radicalism into practice. Instead of funding schools directly, it required schools to affiliate with "external partners," which actually got the money. Proposals from groups focused on math/science achievement were turned down. Instead CAC disbursed money through various far-left community organizers, such as the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (or Acorn).

    Mr. Obama once conducted "leadership training" seminars with Acorn, and Acorn members also served as volunteers in Mr. Obama's early campaigns. External partners like the South Shore African Village Collaborative and the Dual Language Exchange focused more on political consciousness, Afrocentricity and bilingualism than traditional education. CAC's in-house evaluators comprehensively studied the effects of its grants on the test scores of Chicago public-school students. They found no evidence of educational improvement.
    CAC also funded programs designed to promote "leadership" among parents. Ostensibly this was to enable parents to advocate on behalf of their children's education. In practice, it meant funding Mr. Obama's alma mater, the Developing Communities Project, to recruit parents to its overall political agenda. CAC records show that board member Arnold Weber was concerned that parents "organized" by community groups might be viewed by school principals "as a political threat." Mr. Obama arranged meetings with the Collaborative to smooth out Mr. Weber's objections.

    The Daley documents show that Mr. Ayers sat as an ex-officio member of the board Mr. Obama chaired through CAC's first year. He also served on the board's governance committee with Mr. Obama, and worked with him to craft CAC bylaws. Mr. Ayers made presentations to board meetings chaired by Mr. Obama. Mr. Ayers spoke for the Collaborative before the board. Likewise, Mr. Obama periodically spoke for the board at meetings of the Collaborative.

    The Obama campaign notes that Mr. Ayers attended only six board meetings, and stresses that the Collaborative lost its "operational role" at CAC after the first year. Yet the Collaborative was demoted to a strictly advisory role largely because of ethical concerns, since the projects of Collaborative members were receiving grants. CAC's own evaluators noted that project accountability was hampered by the board's reluctance to break away from grant decisions made in 1995. So even after Mr. Ayers's formal sway declined, the board largely adhered to the grant program he had put in place.

    Mr. Ayers's defenders claim that he has redeemed himself with public-spirited education work. That claim is hard to swallow if you understand that he views his education work as an effort to stoke resistance to an oppressive American system. He likes to stress that he learned of his first teaching job while in jail for a draft-board sit-in. For Mr. Ayers, teaching and his 1960s radicalism are two sides of the same coin.

    Mr. Ayers is the founder of the "small schools" movement (heavily funded by CAC), in which individual schools built around specific political themes push students to "confront issues of inequity, war, and violence." He believes teacher education programs should serve as "sites of resistance" to an oppressive system. (His teacher-training programs were also CAC funded.) The point, says Mr. Ayers in his "Teaching Toward Freedom," is to "teach against oppression," against America's history of evil and racism, thereby forcing social transformation.

    The Obama campaign has cried foul when Bill Ayers comes up, claiming "guilt by association." Yet the issue here isn't guilt by association; it's guilt by participation. As CAC chairman, Mr. Obama was lending moral and financial support to Mr. Ayers and his radical circle. That is a story even if Mr. Ayers had never planted a single bomb 40 years ago.
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    Do you agree or disagree with the educational agenda of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge?

    Is this what we have to look forward to under the democrat nominee administration, education not based on the three Rs but on indoctrination?
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    This coming from the guy obsessed with Sarah Palin saying "hi" via taped message to Alaskan political party? But Obama serving side by side however briefly with a terrorist doesn't phase you?

    So I take it you are not at all concerned by the operational goals of CAC, eschewing science and math in favor of political radicalization of education? Glad to see you are so blithely unconcerned about what the Bigoted One was trying to pull. Personally I think a primary educational ought to be about teaching the fundamentals of how to learn, reading writing and arithmetic. But hey if you don't care that you or your kid would be given a political indoctrination then you deserve the democrat nominee.

    Please lets keep this on the issues, I'm not overly concerned about the personalities involved so much as I am their policy positions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oswald von Wolkenstein View Post
    "You're party plays and important role in Alaska . . . I share you party's vision of upholding the Constitution of Alaska. [. . .] We have great promise to be self-sufficient"

    Er um . . . she's pandering to the party, she's not just saying "hi" – They claim she was a member and her husband definitely was a member of the AIP, the Succesionist party -- so the relation is far deeper than Obama-Ayers.
    Let's not make off topic post shall we.


    I mean, the fact that two academic were on an academic committee and supported things that Kurtz deems to be "left-wing" shouldn't surprise anyone at all. Kurtz has been a crusader for the right for years -- and a pretty good one at that -- but right now he's in the middle of sloppy battle with Obama and despite his best efforts he's really come up with nothing.
    What do you think ACORN is if not left wing? That's like trying to say Heritage foundation isn't right wing.



    As Jason Zengerle fromt The New Republic points out that's un-substantiated B.S. and double-talk -- akin to claiming Obama wants sex-ed for kindergarteners -- nice try by Kurtz's little WJS pranking is already fizzling out as other major news sources respond to his non-news. I am not glad to see you're willing to swallow biased hackery without asking for sources.
    Reading the article you sited does not refute any of the substantive points of the WSJ article. It completely skips over every factual point. It should bother you at least a little that CAC had $100,000,000 dollars to spend and by its own admission it did not produce one dime's worth improvement.
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    Although I feel Mr. Ayers must be held accountable for his actions in the 60s, the Annenberg funds idea isn't exactly that radical, I mean parents should take part in schools and yes it is liberally biased. As it could be argued that it needs to be less biased and more on its actual mission statement but for it encouraging parent involvement it should be lauded. BWB I think maybe a article examening this from someone who isn't basicly your typical political attack dog may be a better source. Same applies to that stupid article that Mccain has a chief of staff who's gay.

    Hoover institute is a joke remembering a disgrace to this nation who just shows where non intervention gets you. (Also why you don't elect an econimist pres). Finally it gives a memory to a Iowan.
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    Hey --the Ayers stuff is not important -- no mention of Palin or McCain. First criteria for importance is at least some mention of Palin or McCain.

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    Gasp! A 47 year old politican knows someone disputable!
    Thankfully, your not actually voting for Ayers, your voting for Obama.
    Same thing with McCain. Your not voting for Keating, your voting for McCain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaquil View Post
    Gasp! A 47 year old politican knows someone disputable!
    Thankfully, your not actually voting for Ayers, your voting for Obama.
    Same thing with McCain. Your not voting for Keating, your voting for McCain.
    Did you read the article? Do you agree or disagree with educational agenda of the CAC?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big War Bird View Post
    Did you read the article? Do you agree or disagree with educational agenda of the CAC?
    And do you support or not support Keating and his corruption?
    It is silly to try to interrogate one another instead of arguing the issues, it has nothing to do with the discussion.
    For the record I never enjoyed the CAC or its methods.

    SO you equate Ayers with Keating??? One is a thief and one is nearly if not actually a murderer. One was a military veteran turned businessman turned thief and has served time for his crime. One was a terrorist turned community organizer turned college professor with no regrets of his past or punishment for his crimes.
    Exactly where did I equate those two? Really, I don't see that conclusion and unless you have evidence for it, please don't insinuate it. As you show, it'd be a nasty thing to compare those two. I equated the relationship between Ayers and Obama and McCain and Keating as being irrevelant to both politicans.

    In the words of Michael Kinsley, "If Obama's relationship with Ayers, however tangential, exposes Obama as a radical himself, or at least as a man with terrible judgment, he shares that radicalism or terrible judgment with a comically respectable list of Chicagoans and others — including Republicans and conservatives — who have embraced Ayers and Dohrn as good company, good citizens, even experts on children's issues." (and yes, I picked that tidbit up from wiki).
    Keating had a far deeper relationship with McCain, but it was an long time ago and McCain certainly appears to have come a long way since then, so like Ayers, I consider Keating to be a non-issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaquil View Post
    And do you support or not support Keating and his corruption?
    It is silly to try to interrogate one another instead of arguing the issues, it has nothing to do with the discussion.
    For the record I never enjoyed the CAC or its methods.



    Exactly where did I equate those two? Really, I don't see that conclusion and unless you have evidence for it, please don't insinuate it. As you show, it'd be a nasty thing to compare those two. I equated the relationship between Ayers and Obama and McCain and Keating as being irrevelant to both politicans.

    In the words of Michael Kinsley, "If Obama's relationship with Ayers, however tangential, exposes Obama as a radical himself, or at least as a man with terrible judgment, he shares that radicalism or terrible judgment with a comically respectable list of Chicagoans and others — including Republicans and conservatives — who have embraced Ayers and Dohrn as good company, good citizens, even experts on children's issues." (and yes, I picked that tidbit up from wiki).
    Keating had a far deeper relationship with McCain, but it was an long time ago and McCain certainly appears to have come a long way since then, so like Ayers, I consider Keating to be a non-issue.
    You brought Keating into this as a straw man. Keating was not here until you did. I just posted that this was not related. The situations are indeed differant.

    If you really insist on tieing the straw man to this --- Perhaps you can provide some evidence of a "deeper relationship" with Keating.

    McCain and Keating were friends and knew each other before McCain ran for the US Senate. They were both pilots and veterans. OK

    Ayers hosted a campaign fundraiser for Obama's first political campaign. They served on Ayers CAC board. They worked together when Obama did summer work at a law firm while in law school. So where is the "deeper" McCain-Keating relationship?

    The thread is about Ayers and Obama.

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    SO you equate Ayers with Keating??? One is a thief and one is nearly if not actually a murderer. One was a military veteran turned businessman turned thief and has served time for his crime. One was a terrorist turned community organizer turned college professor with no regrets of his past or punishment for his crimes.

    When people serve their time and return to society, we are supposed to give them a chance. Ayers has not earned that from his actions or consequences fromm his actions. He does not deseerve the opportunity of return to society. Obama welcomes him into his world. I see no reason for him or anyone to do so unless they are in basic agreement with the man.

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    I'm kina annoyed at these topics. People are just so indoctrinated by the party of their affliation, that they continue to post smears againsts the canidates rather than commenting, debating, and/or discussing what the canidate will do for his country... sure what they did in the past may have some importance, but the purposing in posting these types of posts is not to discuss the issues but simply to show contempt and to partonize others.

    This, the Sarah Palin "debate", the 22 reasons not to vote obama, the bush torture crap. etc etc etc

    Take for instance if you want to discuss experience make a topic discussing all the canidates not just Palin and Obama.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WrathofTulkas View Post
    I'm kina annoyed at these topics. People are just so indoctrinated by the party of their affliation, that they continue to post smears againsts the canidates rather than commenting, debating, and/or discussing what the canidate will do for his country... sure what they did in the past may have some importance, but the purposing in posting these types of posts is not to discuss the issues but simply to show contempt and to partonize others.

    This, the Sarah Palin "debate", the 22 reasons not to vote obama, the bush torture crap. etc etc etc

    Take for instance if you want to discuss experience make a topic discussing all the canidates not just Palin and Obama.
    This is exactly why smear campaigns work.

    It doesn't have to be true, you just spread a rumor and all the people on all the forums on all the internets will spread it until people have heard it so often that they will start to believe there must be some truth behind it.

    Don't you get it people? you're being used



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    Quote Originally Posted by Oswald von Wolkenstein View Post
    There are only four and we've discussed them all -- McCain has been discussed at length -- not much about Biden, because he's qualified and Obama's not likely to die any day now. If you feel like the true fact, that Sarah Palin is the most uneducated V.P. ever, she's the most uneducated sitting governor and the least educated human being in the entire world who is ruling over 500,000+ people, then go complain to McCain.
    Stay on Topic

    According the Stanley Kurtz? Who decided that?
    From CAC own audit if you read the article

    Again -- name something verifiable that's problematic. George Bush had gay call guys come to the white house and no one's accused him of being gay -- so a Charity gave to ACORN - so what? I'm still not getting what is so extraordinary or disturbing about this.
    Try reading the article again without the partisan blinders if you will

    oh wait . . . you think ACORN is left-wing? oh so your politics are like this

    LEFT = Poor
    RIGHT = Rich ( and even though you aren't you wanna be so you vote right?)

    o.k.

    ACORN
    is a Charity for Low Income Families. Just because the GOP only caters to the wealthiest 1% doesn't mean that an organization like ACORN which serves the interests of the lower 75% is "left- wing."
    Oh good lord that doesn't pass the laugh test. Just look at their issues page it is a list long list of social welfare programs which even blubbering fools know are left wing causes, except you. ACORN doesn't even claim to be a charity. A quick glance at the "utilities" issue shows that ACORN is knee deep in price fixing and business regulation. They are hardly giving alms to the poor.

    A quick look at the wiki says ACORN has been invovled in voter fraud. And in the an irony of ironies while working closely with union groups it was found to have illegally thwarted unionization within it own ranks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oswald von Wolkenstein View Post
    so social welfare programs are long unless they are government bailouts of companies that the wealthiest 1% are heavily invested it.

    The GOP is the most inconsistent party in the world. Are they for welfare or not?

    Or is it just rich against poor.

    So Obama's reponsible for ACORN's internal problems?
    That's kind of like the Saturday Night Live spoof of McCain's Campaign.

    The topic is a dead one Ayers and Obama means nothing. Kurtz failed. (Most of the religious nuts in the Hoover make fools of themselves and get kicked out -- it's a revolving door position in the Institute.)

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    Stop trying to change the subject. Do you or do you not approve of the eduction reform efforts of the CAC?

    Here is the report CAC did on itself on itself from the exact time the democrat nominee was serving on its board.

    http://ccsr.uchicago.edu/content/pub....php?pub_id=60

    In it CAC admits there was no improvement in CAC schools.
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    Is this supposed to be a controversial scandal?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ЯoMe kb8 View Post
    Is this supposed to be a controversial scandal?
    I guess it depends on your opinion of Ayers and his actions. I guess it depends on whether Sen. Obama has a history of experience or not.

    Are you not just a bit curious as to what the good senator did with his time before deciding to run for the Presidency?

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    In all fairness the Weathermen did not kill anyone, nor did they intend to. Which is a better record then some other 1960's anti-war groups. If I had to bet money on who killed more innocent people, I would put McCain above Ayers.

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    I don't see the problem, before his Senate career McCain flew planes 1,000 feet in the sky over a country 10,000 miles away killing poor people. You can make anything look bad with how you write it.

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    I thought the main question was what do you think of what the cac did... Maybe I'm wrong....
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    I answered, c'est irrelevant et ennuyeux .

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