Thoughts on Bolivia?

[Kiljan Arslan]

The emerging crisis in Bolivia has been relatively ignored in the US, and apparent here to. In Bolivia several governors and their supporters have launched out right rebellions against Evo Moralles the president. My thoughts are that they are doing this because they don't want to share their oil wealth and are trying to unseat a man who was elected by a majority of the people. I am ashamed of Bushs apparent choice to go against mr Morales.

[danzig]

Or it could be because instead of doing the right thing, moderate reform that for all Morales is trying to seize it all for his little banana socialist wannabe government. To right a wrong you dont make another wrong, you moderate, compromise, work together....something Chavez and his little copy cat assclowns in the region dont seem to grasp. They dont grasp it of course because their goals arent to set things right but to place all the power in their hands.

[Heinz Guderian]

Elitist Bolivians killed Che. Dont like em.

[attilavolciak07]

I am ashamed of Bushs apparent choice to go against mr Morales.

Evo Morales was at first a good leader, a staunch US ally, but then he met with Chavez and he has become a Socialist forever more.

[Lord Consul]

Morales government is illegitimate. His "constitutional assembly" excluded opposition parties, meaning that only him and his cronies are writing the new constitution - a constitution that will most likely give him authoritarian powers.

Nobody's paying attention because the countries that had the moral obligation to stand up are doing everything they can to preserve the status quo.

Argentina's afraid of upsetting Chavez (Morales' main ally), since he's the guarantor of most of Argentina's foreign debt. Chile's led by a troupe of tree-hugging socialists of the worst kind - "La Concertación" a coalition of left wing parties.

Brazil is led by an idiotic social-democrat who's afraid of upsetting Big Money - two of Brazil's largest corporations, Petrobras and Vale (both on Fortune 500), have billions invested in Bolivia.

There will be a coup in Bolivia and the Brazilian Army has agreed to supply government forces with fuel, ammunition and transport vehicles if needed. This is an absurd: Brazil should not prop up Evo and his cronies.

[Platon]

Morales have the majority of the people behind him - he should send in the military and crush the US backed elite.
They are trying to sabotage Bolivias democratic elected Government, and don't want to share the wealth with the poor!!!

[Kiljan Arslan]

Morales government is illegitimate. His "constitutional assembly" excluded opposition parties, meaning that only him and his cronies are writing the new constitution - a constitution that will most likely give him authoritarian powers.

Nobody's paying attention because the countries that had the moral obligation to stand up are doing everything they can to preserve the status quo.

Argentina's afraid of upsetting Chavez (Morales' main ally), since he's the guarantor of most of Argentina's foreign debt. Chile's led by a troupe of tree-hugging socialists of the worst kind - "La Concertación" a coalition of left wing parties.

Brazil is led by an idiotic social-democrat who's afraid of upsetting Big Money - two of Brazil's largest corporations, Petrobras and Vale (both on Fortune 500), have billions invested in Bolivia.

There will be a coup in Bolivia and the Brazilian Army has agreed to supply government forces with fuel, ammunition and transport vehicles if needed. This is an absurd: Brazil should not prop up Evo and his cronies.

Really proof of your allegations? Or just making up. Because I don't think that anyone has the moral obligation to destabilize a country like your advocating in order to unseat a democraticly elected president.

[Claudius Gothicus]

This stupid jerk(Evo Morales) is going to end up freezing half of south america(Argentina and Brazil) because of his inhabbility to control the situation in his country.

Plus kicking out every foreing company of Bolivia won't help to normalize the energetic crisis down here.

Evo's constitutional assembly was a joke, the Bolivian people (no some US backed elite) is asking Evo for federalism and more autonomy but he's just to backwards to realize this.

[Lord Consul]

Really proof of your allegations? Or just making up. Because I don't think that anyone has the moral obligation to destabilize a country like your advocating in order to unseat a democraticly elected president.

Proof? Go to the BBC and search for "Bolivia". The so-called Constituent Assembly is such a joke that Evo did not even care to house the Assembly in the Congress building, instead he ordered the deputies (Bolivian equivalent of a US representative) of his party MAS (movimento ao socialismo) to gather in a military school and declared such gathering as an official Assemby session, thereby steamrolling over the due democratic process.

I'm not advocating "desestabilization". I'm advocating strictly observed neutrality. Brazil shoud not give Evo with one friggin' penny or supply him with anything beyond shampoo and handkerschiefs. Let him fend off by himself. Let's see how long him and his "cocaleros" will last against the Bolivian army.

[Kiljan Arslan]

Really could you provide some proof to back that up?

[Claudius Gothicus]

What proof do you want? the guy has been unable to control his own country and that is going to hurt Argentina's and Brazil economy's the bolivians provide us with their gas, if a civil war breaks out it's only a matter of time before someone(Santa Cruz's guys or Evo's) cuts us and Brazil the gas provition.

[Kiljan Arslan]

So why not prevent it. TO me the jerks are the rebeling governors unwilling to share the wealth.

[Kiljan Arslan]

SO your advocating a fascist coup against a democraticly elected president?

[Lord Consul]

Not supporting the current Presidency does not mean you're pushing for a military coup, Kiljan.

My position is as clear as morning sun: Evo should not be subsided by the Brazilian government. He has ed us up every time he got the chance. The least we could do is sit by as he's getting pounded by the military. No support, no asylum, no money.

[Kiljan Arslan]

Hmm supporting a military coup sounds alot like supporting fascism. I never said going against Moralles made you a fascist. I said supporting a coup made you one. Enjoy the brown shirt!

[Lord Consul]

Alright, Kiljan, since you've got some sort of reading disability, I'll make it simple:

I am not supporting a military coup.

I do not support a military coup.

I shall never support a military coup.

There's a difference between actively supporting a military coup and refusing to help the President in solving a crisis he has created. Evo fostered all those problems. He should deal with them alone, without support, subsidies or any other kind of foreign interference.

Bolivia is a sovereign nation-state. If their military forces want to see the back of Evo, they might as well do it without worrying about outside factors. If Evo's government cannot stand up on its own, Brazil has no right whatsoever to artificially strengthen the ailing Morales administration.

[Kiljan Arslan]

Alright, Kiljan, since you've got some sort of reading disability, I'll make it simple:

I am not supporting a military coup.

I do not support a military coup.

I shall never support a military coup.

There's a difference between actively supporting a military coup and refusing to help the President in solving a crisis he has created. Evo fostered all those problems. He should deal with them alone, without support, subsidies or any other kind of foreign interference.

Bolivia is a sovereign nation-state. If their military forces want to see the back of Evo, they might as well do it without worrying about outside factors. If Evo's government cannot stand up on its own, Brazil has no right whatsoever to artificially strengthen the ailing Morales administration.

[QUOTE]The least we could do is sit by as he's getting pounded by the military. No support, no asylum, no money./QUOTE]

hmm yet what are you saying there?

[Lord Consul]

The least we could do is sit by as he's getting pounded by the military. No support, no asylum, no money.

hmm yet what are you saying there?

Sit by =/= support the military.

It's something called "non-intervention".

Evo is so totally nuts that he demanded that the Brazilian arrest all Bolivians who crossed the border. Of course the Brazilian Army denied such outrageous request, since those who crossed the borders are merely political refugees fleeing from the chaos that's taking the country by storm.

[Kiljan Arslan]

proof to your claims. ANd saying you'd support a military coup equal fasciist. Thankyou fascist. Enjoy the brownshirt.

[Viking Prince]

Bolivia was in trrible shape before Morales. He has not made things better nor has he made things worse. The wealthier portions of the country want a more capitalistic system and a democratic process. Some right wing nuts are much more authoratarian and not wishing to help the poor. Morales was elected with the support of the poor and is and has been a socialist. It is unclear how authoritarian he is, but I fear he is a lit match looking for a puddle of fuel.

The problem may be that there is no middle ground with the current actors. It may take someone from the right to lead the country and also reach to the poor and the left. The left (and the poor) are so used to being neglected that they want more than any compromise can bring.