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    TEL AVIV (Reuters) - Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni was set to be Israel's next prime minister after a comfortable victory on Wednesday in a party leadership election to choose a replacement for Ehud Olmert.

    "The good guys won," the former corporate lawyer and one-time Mossad intelligence agent told supporters within the ruling centrist Kadima party after exit polls gave her a clear margin over retired general Shaul Mofaz, the transport minister.

    Palestinian peace negotiators -- and possibly the sponsors of the peace process in Washington -- were among those applauding as official results began to confirm a win for Livni, who has led talks with the Palestinians this year.

    But the daughter of storied Zionist guerrilla fighters of the 1940s will require combative spirit and political flair to consolidate her goal of becoming Israel's first woman leader since the redoubtable Golda Meir in the 1970s.

    Olmert, who telephoned Livni with congratulations, has said he will resign as soon as Kadima has a new leader. But the outgoing premier, who could be indicted for corruption, has also vowed to exercise his right to stay on in a caretaker capacity until Livni forges her own, new coalition government.

    That process, involving deals with ambitious Labour party leader Ehud Barak on the left and influential Jewish religious parties on the right, could take weeks or months. Many believe there may yet be an early parliamentary election, which polls show Benjamin Netanyahu's right-wing Likud would win.

    "You were just incredible," Livni said in a conference call to supporters that was broadcast on Army Radio.

    "I just want afterwards not to disappoint any of you and to do all the right things that you fought for."

    Mofaz aides said he had no plans to speak until Thursday and would not concede defeat until the final results were confirmed.

    Exit polls by two Israeli broadcasters gave Livni 47 to 49 percent of votes cast on a turnout of about half of Kadima's 74,000 members. That was comfortably ahead of Mofaz on 37 percent and well above the 40-percent threshold needed to avoid a runoff second round.

    Kadima, founded in 2005 by then premier Ariel Sharon, has just a quarter of the seats in the Knesset. Rivals, some within Olmert's coalition, are preparing for a national election battle well ahead of the next scheduled parliamentary vote in 2010.

    "This is the beginning of a very arduous road to become prime minister," former Sharon adviser Raanan Gissin said.

    "She needs to reach a consensus at home because otherwise Kadima will fall apart at the seams."

    As chief negotiator in the peace talks with the Palestinians launched by U.S. President George W. Bush 10 months ago, Livni is widely seen as offering continuity in that process. But few on either side see a major breakthrough for peace before Bush himself leaves office four months from now.

    Olmert has vowed himself to try to see a deal through.

    Chief Palestinian negotiator Ahmed Qurie told Reuters: "Because Livni was immersed in the peace process, we believe she will pursue peace moves with us.


    "We welcome the choice of the Israeli people."

    Political analyst Shmuel Sandler said: "It is very difficult to predict whether she will be a strong prime minister."

    But he noted her personal ties with U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and said: "In Washington they will be very pleased with this outcome; she is a good friend of Condoleezza."

    Hailed by supporters as a "Mrs Clean" who would end the taint of scandal left by Olmert and others, Livni said in a campaign statement earlier on Wednesday: "This is a second chance to shape Israel's image, to fix the damage."

    A career lawyer whose husband is a prominent entrepreneur, Livni is seen as offering continuity with the market-oriented economic policies of the outgoing government.

    Sandler said: "She looks like 'Mrs Clean' which gave her impetus and the media was on her side. But she will still have to form a coalition. Although if the margin of her victory turns out to be as big as the polls suggest it should make it easier."
    (Additional reporting by Jeffrey Heller, Adam Entous, Ori Lewis and Dan Williams in Jerusalem, Writing by Alastair Macdonald, Editing by Robert Hart)
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    She's at least something different to the Military leaders who normally rule Israel, perhaps this woman will think with her head rather than the gun. Best option for real peace.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...st/7621536.stm

    She used to be a hardcore Zionist, but finally realised that simply will not work. Shows integrity unlike the men who simply don't want to lose their pride by not going against their traditional and 'comfortable' beliefs.
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    Thank god the extremists did not get in.

    Quote Originally Posted by ЯoMe kb8 View Post
    She's at least something different to the Military leaders who normally rule Israel, perhaps this woman will think with her head rather than the gun. Best option for real peace.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...st/7621536.stm

    She used to be a hardcore Zionist, but finally realised that simply will not work. Shows integrity unlike the men who simply don't want to lose their pride by not going against their traditional and 'comfortable' beliefs.
    Absolutely!

    Livni has shown that she is open minded and can adapt. She appears to be perfect for the modern world and Israel.

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    Israel needs to think with the gun, it did since it's creation. Livni is.. like.. who the hell is she?

    General elections, now!
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    Is her first name pronounced "zippy"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Azael33 View Post
    Israel needs to think with the gun, it did since it's creation. Livni is.. like.. who the hell is she?
    A former member of the Intelligence Services. One of the best in the world.

    General elections, now!
    Why so the extremist religious parties can can get their hands all over the next coalition?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikelus Trento View Post
    Is her first name pronounced "zippy"?
    I think its sippi.
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    Is her first name pronounced "zippy"?
    Yay go Zippy!
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    A former member of the Intelligence Services
    How the hell is that relevant for her abillity, or lack of, to run a country?

    Why so the extremist religious parties can can get their hands all over the next coalition?
    If that's what the people choose, than yes! Anyway, the Likud, which is Right-Center, going to take over the next coalition.

    It's Tsipi.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Azael33 View Post
    How the hell is that relevant for her abillity, or lack of, to run a country?
    Because the last time I checked Israel is a parliamentary democracy, with a first-among-equals cabinet system. I.e. She isn't an Executive President, she's the head of the cabinet, her principal role as PM is too create the cabinet and lead them. It's the cabinet's job to run their departments, her job to set goals. As an officer of one of the most experienced and most active intelligence forces in the world, i think she has hadnecessary leadership skills to lead a bunch of tired old men.

    Not to mention she has been a cabinet member and politican for long enough now. Teh argument she hasno military experience is a weak one, the Defence Minister heads the army and secuirity.

    If that's what the people choose, than yes! Anyway, the Likud, which is Right-Center, going to take over the next coalition.
    What about Labor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azael33 View Post
    How the hell is that relevant for her abillity, or lack of, to run a country?


    If that's what the people choose, than yes! Anyway, the Likud, which is Right-Center, going to take over the next coalition.

    It's Tsipi.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Da Skinna View Post
    Do you support Palin?
    I don't care about her.

    You will find out, a good politician doesn't show all their cards.
    I think it's at least fair for the Israelis to know her stances, but we don't. And we still don't know if the Labor or Shas will form a coalition with her.
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    Not to mention she has been a cabinet member and politican for long enough now.
    The thing is, nobody knows her opinions on most of subjects! So.. yes, the people needs to choose.

    What about Labor?
    What about them?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Azael33 View Post
    The thing is, nobody knows her opinions on most of subjects! So.. yes, the people needs to choose.
    You will find out, a good politician doesn't show all their cards. Especially a non-military woman in a army mans world.

    What about them?
    Won;t they form a coalition with Kadima?

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    A former member of the Intelligence Services. One of the best in the world.
    More like overrated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Major.Stupidity View Post
    More like overrated.
    No, really one of the best.

    Quote Originally Posted by Azael33 View Post
    I think it's at least fair for the Israelis to know her stances, but we don't. And we still don't know if the Labor or Shas will form a coalition with her.
    You will, it's not like she's keep her views purposely secret, that is the opposite of what a politician is. Come elections, normal things will happen.

    Quote Originally Posted by Azael33 View Post
    Sharon isn't a war criminal.
    It's irrelevant, the overwhelming majority of war criminals get away with it to the extent the only real criminals are the losers.

    I hope she doesn't cave into Shas demands.
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    At least she isn't a war criminal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Consul View Post
    At least she isn't a war criminal.

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    Sharon isn't a war criminal.
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    People, I think the major question on everybody's mind is, how attractive is this female politician?

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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qibya_massacre
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabra_and_Shatila_massacre

    And etc. Apologises for the wiki links, but they will give you an idea I hope.

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