The ethics of human cloning.

[Axeman]

Cloning is very contraversial , ever since we were all introduced to Dolly the cloned sheep , we have been enthralled and afraid of cloning. Lets assume for a moment we were able to completely , without any side effects , clone a human. What would we do? Ban it immediatley? Use it to harvet organs? Would it be ethical of us to harvest sentient beings? What if we harvest criminals on death row for thier organs?

[meryre]

I want to clone organs, but not clone full humans, because that's crazy 5h17 right there.

[Zephyrus]

I say go ahead. Harvesting criminal's organs is actually a good idea, and serves the purpose of replenishing the supply while promoting justice. +Rep for that idea.

[Axeman]

But scientists are currently unable to clone a working human organ without cloning all the things that support it , cloning a kidney itself would be currently useless as it would not know AT FIRST how to filter blood , now I realize that is a gross over-simplification but I think you get the point , IE you cant grow a new heart unless its pumping blood.

[Salazar]

My main objection would be the fact that because many people have moral objections to cloning in general, these same people might not accept clones as proper people and shun them.

Also i'd be against cloning of sentient humans for organ harvesting, i dont exactly like the idea of creating a feeling and rationally thinking being with the purpose of killing it.

Taking peoples organs once they are dead is fine in principle to me, as long as it doesnt lead to people being killed just to get their organs, I just can't see why anyone would consider it ethical to let someone else die just to preserve the internal physical integrity of the corpse (until it rots anyway )

Edit: If they can get it to work somehow i dont see why cloning organs would be the slightest ethical concern.

[meryre]

Oh, we'll figure it out eventually, and btw I do support harvesting incurably criminal scum.

[Axeman]

I guess ill just jump back in forth as the devil's advocate.

Im not saying we start something like The Collective from star treck and make a cloen army , Im talking about cloning people on death row and taking thier hearts or thier lungs .

[Sator Mortis]

Im not saying we start something like The Collective from star treck and make a cloen army , Im talking about cloning people on death row and taking thier hearts or thier lungs .

That's just silly, a clone rather similar to an identical twin; in both cases they're separate human beings made from the same genetic material. You can't punish people based solely on what DNA they have.

[Darth Ravenous]

I think cloning is awesome I would always want a mini-me and people who kill clones I am against.

[Axeman]

Imagine if Chuck Norris got hold of a clone machine.......my god

[Darth Ravenous]

Or jet li or no..........George Bush.

[ironcurtin117]

What if we were to clone vegetative individuals (EDIT: From birth) and have something similar to an organ donor card that would include cloning in the event of a catastrophic brain injury. Either that or the limited and specifically targeted cloning of certain individuals born with 0 brain activity.

[Erlinggra]

Cloning for organs is ok in my opinion; however cloning up a sentient human to kill for its organs is kinda cruel and wrong.

[H.r.E.]

Cloning for organs is ok in my opinion; however cloning up a sentient human to kill for its organs is kinda cruel and wrong.

just like my opinion , i mean cloning does not make this person less human

[Garrigan]

I would be totally against cloning a human being, just to take their organs, whether they were in medicine-induced coma for their lifespan or not. It has nothing to do with religious views, I just cannot reconcile doing that with my own morals. I find the idea of cloning Prisoners on death row, just for the clone's organs, repulsive. They have done nothing wrong, to say that their "parent" (the person they were cloned from) 's nature means they are dangerous denies the entire "nurture" way shaping a person.

As for organs, I'm not sure if its possible, but I suppose that is more ethical than the idea of "manufacturing" hosts for organs.

PS>Axeman, just in case, I'm not getting at you. I realise you're just getting the discussion flowing

[Darth Ravenous]

What about my idea to clone humans for the benfit of a person. I wish to have an exact replica of me some day. Is this immoral not in my opinion.

[sephodwyrm]

Is this immoral not in my opinion.

It is impossible.
Even the exact replica of you would have an independent mindset. He's technically another individual and NOT your property.

It's probably easier to grow individual organs than to actually clone an entire body, to be honest.

cloning a kidney itself would be currently useless as it would not know AT FIRST how to filter blood

A kidney does not KNOT how to filter blood.
It just filters blood.
Arguing the ethics of a technology that has already been utilized for many other species (bacteria and plants) is quite redundant.

[Darth Ravenous]

Na he'd be my kid and I'd raise him to think exactly like me. What's wrong with that.

[sephodwyrm]

What's wrong with that.

It's not wrong. It's simply impossible. Your clone wouldn't think exactly like you, no matter how hard you try. And a person, cloned or not, is likely going to be a recipient of certain rights that prevents you from claiming him as property or to act solely for your benefit.

[Darth Ravenous]

It's not impossible.