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    Default Georgia: Intercepted calls prove self-defense

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    Georgia: Intercepted calls prove self-defense
    By STEVE GUTTERMAN – 56 minutes ago

    TBILISI, Georgia (AP) — Intercepted mobile phone calls show that Russian tanks and troops invaded before Georgia unleashed its offensive against South Ossetia, the Georgian government said Tuesday, pressing its claim that Russia was the aggressor in the war last month.

    Georgia said the recordings are phone calls between two South Ossetian border guards which prove that Russian tanks and troops entered South Ossetia many hours before the Georgian offensive began late Aug. 7.

    The recordings were first released to The New York Times, which reported their contents Tuesday. A Georgian Interior Ministry official, Shota Utiashvili, played two of the recordings for The Associated Press and provided printed English translations from the original Ossetian.

    Utiashvili said the alleged intercepts show "that Russian heavy armor entered Georgia about 20 hours before the war started."

    "It again proves our case that Georgia's move was self-defense, rather than an unprovoked attack," he said.

    The recordings are purportedly intercepts of two exchanges between a South Ossetian border guard at the southern entrance to the Roki tunnel, which leads from the separatist Georgian province to Russia, with another guard at the headquarters in the South Ossetian capital.

    The northern tunnel entrance is in Russia.

    Russian Foreign Ministry spokesman Andrei Nesterenko dismissed the Georgian claim as "not serious." He said any major troop movements would have been easily tracked by satellites used by NATO nations.

    NATO's chief and ambassadors from all 26 allies were in Georgia on Tuesday, showing support for the pro-Western nation and demanding that Russia withdraw forces from Georgia in compliance with a cease-fire.

    "I would be grateful if they provide such satellite data to us and the entire global community, provide specific data," Nesterenko said sarcastically. "Allegations that they have eavesdropped on someone and heard something are simply not serious."

    According to the English translations of the recordings, in the first call, which purportedly began at 3:41 a.m. local time on Aug. 7, the South Ossetian guard at the tunnel says "they have moved armored personnel carriers out and the tunnel is full."

    In the next call, about 10 minutes later, the guard says that "armor and people" had emerged from the tunnel about 20 minutes earlier. Asked whether there was a lot of armor, the guard says, "Well, tanks, BMPs and those things."
    Wow.

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    Default Re: Georgia: Intercepted calls prove self-defense

    "we have found cell phone conversations which prove that our invasion and shelling of Tskhinvali was in self-defense."




    I thought the Georgian ministry of truth was already dissolved due to their utter incompetence? apparently not.
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    Russian Foreign Ministry spokesman Andrei Nesterenko dismissed the Georgian claim as "not serious." He said any major troop movements would have been easily tracked by satellites used by NATO nations.
    If this is true, I have to agree with .Czar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Princeps View Post
    If this is true, I have to agree with .Czar.
    from the end of the article it sounds as if the vehicles were in the tunnel(s) waiting for operations to begin. thus they cant be seen by satellite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carach View Post
    from the end of the article it sounds as if the vehicles were in the tunnel(s) waiting for operations to begin. thus they cant be seen by satellite.


    Yeah, because they cannot be detected entering the tunnel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Princeps View Post


    Yeah, because they cannot be detected entering the tunnel.
    can satellites track these things particularly well at night?

    were there even any satellites viewing the situation going on there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carach View Post
    can satellites track these things particularly well at night?

    were there even any satellites viewing the situation going on there?

    probably since the US has satellites monitoring Russia all the time.

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    Default Re: Georgia: Intercepted calls prove self-defense

    Here's my question:

    Why did Georgia wait so long before they released this "evidence"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew87 View Post
    Here's my question:

    Why did Georgia wait so long before they released this "evidence"?
    you see, it takes some time to come up with this "brilliant" idea, record the messages, edit them out in a proper manner, etc .

    do those Georgians seriously believe that the world community is that stupid?

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    Quote Originally Posted by .Czar View Post
    you see, it takes some time to come up with this "brilliant" idea, record the messages, edit them out in a proper manner, etc .

    do those Georgians seriously believe that the world community is that stupid?
    It was more of a rhetorical question...

    I kinda smelled the BS in this article when I first read it.
    Hell, I've read it three times already and it still doesn't make any sense.

    Utiashvili said Georgia provided the evidence to the United States and European governments and would welcome an investigation.
    ...investigation of what exactly?

    2 unidentified voices speaking at an unidentified time and location?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew87 View Post
    It was more of a rhetorical question...

    I kinda smelled the BS in this article when I first read it.
    Hell, I've read it three times already and it still doesn't make any sense.
    well, here is just one more proof for you that not everything that comes out of AP is necesserily true.

    (other than that, AP in general is quite respectable news agency)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew87 View Post
    Here's my question:

    Why did Georgia wait so long before they released this "evidence"?
    They will now do everything they can to make Russia look more of a bad guy than it already does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew87 View Post
    Here's my question:

    Why did Georgia wait so long before they released this "evidence"?
    It took them this much time to make that lie up?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew87 View Post
    Here's my question:

    Why did Georgia wait so long before they released this "evidence"?
    because it took them this long to fabricate it.

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    Default Re: Georgia: Intercepted calls prove self-defense

    Soon they will present us with their intercepted homing pigeons...

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    Does this change anything? I mean the intention to use artillery on rebels was basically the same even if russian tanks stepped in before.
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    Gentlemen provenance is important. This is far too suspicious.

    a) Why was it not released before
    b) Why didn't they tell anyone at the time
    c) This invalidates the story they've been telling since the war began

    I can be assed to go on.

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    I'm mostly neutral in this conflict, but this sounds like total BS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the_mango55 View Post
    I'm mostly neutral in this conflict, but this sounds like total BS.
    agreed. Any person with some reason would go "well, gee, why didn't they release this earlier?"
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