Aug. 8 the new 9/11? According to Medvedev it is.

[Vladimir Lenin]

Yesterday, America mourned a day where thousands of innocent civilians were killed by suicide bombers. A day where for the first time in a century, that there had been an attack upon American soil.

Now today, Medvedev says Georgia's attempt to regain control of it's territory was the 9/11 for Russia.

People like to accuse conservatives of using 9/11 for there own purposes, but apparently the Russians do it as well:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7612507.stm

[Heathen Hammer]

Well, no one has attacked RF before and no one expected Saakashvili would actually do it, after he said that he won't do anything. So it was a shock for Russia, when Georgia shelled Tshinvali and killed Russian peacekeepers.

[Vladimir Lenin]

Well, no one has attacked RF before and no one expected Saakashvili would actually do it, after he said that he won't do anything. So it was a shock for Russia, when Georgia shelled Tshinvali and killed Russian peacekeepers.

But to compare the events of 9/11 to 8/8 is completely absurd. Russia is simply using 9/11 (ironically) to try to justify their actions.

It's completely pathetic.

[LoZz]

But to compare the events of 9/11 to 8/8 is completely absurd. Russia is simply using 9/11 (ironically) to try to justify their actions.

It's completely pathetic.

intresting little tidbit for you here.

more brits died in 9/11 then they did on 7/7.

[Smythes]

Well, no one has attacked RF before and no one expected Saakashvili would actually do it, after he said that he won't do anything. So it was a shock for Russia, when Georgia shelled Tshinvali and killed Russian peacekeepers.

<sighs>

Needle on the record stuck?

To equate a masterminded plan destroying ICONIC world features and many innocent people (really over the amount that RUssia 'claimed' had been killed) to a brief hot war is kind of scary.

I didnt realise Georgia shelled Red square too?

[Erik]

Well, no one has attacked RF before and no one expected Saakashvili would actually do it

There have been many more terrorist attacks in the RF than in the USA.
Those would be a far better comparison with 9/11 than any military action.

[alhoon]

Bah, Putin is mutch more sophisticated and inteligent than Cheney.

Unfortunately true...

Why "unfortunately"?
Because Russia's leadership has at last someone that doesn't bend knee to all-mighty USA?

Putin took Russia out of it's steep decline. Americans may not like him because of some of his methods (not good methods but also exagerated by American propaganda) and the USA goverment may not like him because he doesn't allow them to make Russia a puppet state like so many others around the world. However he serves his country's interests far more than Yeltsin did.

[Каие]

Why "unfortunately"?

I thought it was obvious...in the perfect world all our enemies would be idiots. All our rivals and all our adversaries and nemesis. The fact that Putin has more braincells than the American 1st and 2nd highest executive is not really good for the West-East balance. Thus having a highly intelligent Russian leader is bad for the west.

[Carach]

Well, no one has attacked RF before

and georgia certainly didnt either...

[Applesmack]

and georgia certainly didnt either...

Yes they did. They attacked and killed Russian peacekeepers and passport holder. You have been proven wrong on this usse thousands of times and continue repeating it like a broken record. Georgia said that it responded to a militant attack, but it never provided evidence that South Ossetia attacked them first..

[Vladimir Lenin]

. Georgia said that it responded to a militant attack, but it never provided evidence that South Ossetia attacked them first..

What the hell kind of proof could they have other then the reports they sent out?

[Applesmack]

What the hell kind of proof could they have other then the reports they sent out?

Videos, captured soldiers, confessions, etc. If they don't have the evidence its their problem. You can't jut accuse a nation of an attack without any sort of evidence whatsoever and invade them. Infact, South Ossetia has denied any connection and claimed that Georgia has repeatedly assaulted them in the region as well. Both have no evidence other than claims and both point fingers at each other.

[Carach]

Yes they did. They attacked and killed Russian peacekeepers and passport holder. You have been proven wrong on this usse thousands of times and continue repeating it like a broken record. Georgia said that it responded to a militant attack, but it never provided evidence that South Ossetia attacked them first..

lmfao. No tf. No. I havent been proven right 'thousands of times'. and i continue to repeat it because it is the truth, with factual evidence backing it up that i have posted a thousand ing times.

So to correct ur post TF:

1: they attacked South Ossetia, in response to militia attacks in the week(s) up to the operation.
2: Apparently some UN russian peacekeepers were killed. that is correct. However, UN troops are not allowed to conduct offensive operations without UN approval. Russia had no such approval when it started retaliating. Russia had no UN approval when it started sending its forces into South Ossetia as 'reinforcements'. Russia had no Un approval when it invaded Georgia-proper. Thus from the very begining Russia were breaking international law. I wont even bother going into the bs promises that the russians made and then broke repeatedly during the conflict.
3: Georgia did indeed claim it was responding to militia attack. where ur post goes wrong is claiming that georgia never provided evidence. because i saw the evidence on channel 4 news. The world's seen the evidence in the months running up to the conflict with seperatist rebels attacking stuff, russians attacking stuff and so on.

Broken ing record indeed TF.

[André Masséna]

Not to mention classless.

[danzig]

Medvedev is an idiot...what else is there to say about it that he could connect the two. Russia is clearly trying to outdo the US in everything, including idiotic leader...grats!

[CarbEast]

Medvedev is an idiot...what else is there to say about it that he could connect the two. Russia is clearly trying to outdo the US in everything, including idiotic leader...grats!

Well, everything is stupid and everyone is idiot to one until he tries thinking. This comparison of Medvedev is actually quite logical and clear - it means that like 9/11 for USA, 8/8/08 is *turning point* for Russia's foreign policy.

[Applesmack]

Well, everything is stupid and everyone is idiot to one until he tries thinking. This comparison of Medvedev is actually quite logical and clear - it means that like 9/11 for USA, 8/8/08 is *turning point* for Russia's foreign policy.

Exactly..You guys are missing the point..

Going from Command Economy to Free Market wasn't in Russia's best interest?

From what I remember it was Gorbachev who introduced the free market to the USSR and they had it since..

[danzig]

Well, everything is stupid and everyone is idiot to one until he tries thinking. This comparison of Medvedev is actually quite logical and clear - it means that like 9/11 for USA, 8/8/08 is *turning point* for Russia's foreign policy.

No something is stupid when it is in fact stupid. Medvedev has to be a mental midget to think he can make the comparison for no other purpose then to justify his foreign policy nonsense but hey what can you expect some russians were crying genocide by Georgia too so being overdramatic is the name of the game I suppose. Russia could have use other examples or simply said this is their goal instead of attempting to latch their filthy, imperialistic foreign policy onto it. See most of us dont see 9/11 as a reason for a goverment be it one lead by Bush or one lead by Putin to use as a justification for their foreign policy aims. This is the concept that you seem to miss.

How are they uncomparable? 9/11 was a surprise attack on two towers causing the deaths of 3000, most of which civilians. SO was a surprise attack on a major city causing at least 1600 civilian deaths, and nearly 20.000 refugees. The city in question was in many places reduced to rubbles and a ghost town. Both are sneaky terror attacks on civilians to get ''a message through'' and got a violent response back.

Well for one South Ossetia belongs to Georgia, it is their country. Secondly the goal wasnt to KILL civilians outright or target them but a rather poorly planned operation to reunite the country while 9/11's goal was to smash civilian airliners into civilian buildings (Pentagon attempt aside). So bottom line one was a military operation with a specific goal and one was an actual terror attack with a goal to inspire terror and kill civilians.

[Khan Kong]

No something is stupid when it is in fact stupid. Medvedev has to be a mental midget to think he can make the comparison for no other purpose then to justify his foreign policy nonsense but hey what can you expect some russians were crying genocide by Georgia too so being overdramatic is the name of the game I suppose. Russia could have use other examples or simply said this is their goal instead of attempting to latch their filthy, imperialistic foreign policy onto it. See most of us dont see 9/11 as a reason for a goverment be it one lead by Bush or one lead by Putin to use as a justification for their foreign policy aims. This is the concept that you seem to miss.



Well for one South Ossetia belongs to Georgia, it is their country. Secondly the goal wasnt to KILL civilians outright or target them but a rather poorly planned operation to reunite the country while 9/11's goal was to smash civilian airliners into civilian buildings (Pentagon attempt aside). So bottom line one was a military operation with a specific goal and one was an actual terror attack with a goal to inspire terror and kill civilians.

You can go further and analyse two cases, saying something like "they uncomparable because they were Arabs and they were Georgians", but the main point was

He doesn't mean its the same as the attacks, but he means 9/11 was a wake up call for the world, as 8/8 was a wake up call to Russia, and as Medvedev said, he also hopes this is a wake up call for the world.

There have been many more terrorist attacks in the RF than in the USA.
Those would be a far better comparison with 9/11 than any military action.

Those attacks in the RF didn't cause so much worrying and didn't make the international community to draw conclusions how vulnerable the world was as in the cases of 9/11 and attack on South Ossetia. That is why I think the comparison fits.

[André Masséna]

Medvedev = Bush
Putin = Cheney?