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    I remember the 9\11\ on Tuesday 1973, the Coup d'etat in Chile:...3000 deaths and the whole destabilization of Latin America afterwards.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_Ch..._d%27%C3%A9tat
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._intervention_in_Chile
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfour/documen...es/chile.shtml

    http://www.chipsites.com/derechos/index_eng.html

    Here a side with declassified documents:
    http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB255/index.htm
    http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB8/nsaebb8.htm

    http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/index.html

    And how the US was destabilizing Chile before the coup
    http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/42a/index-dg.html
    --> could be the same for Bolivia and Venezuela in the near future





    Gracias Senor Kissinger



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    Yeah, overthrowing of legaly elected president in favour of the one of the worst military dictators was realy glorious day for democracy and free world. Few months ago Chilean navy sent it's training ship on cruise through Mediterranean and a lot of ports didn't let the ship to harbour in, cause during the Pinoche's rule same ship was main place for executions of political opponents and the ship's present CO's were the main executors...
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    Hmm...I thought that Allende was on KGB pay list.

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    Interesting: Allende a KGB Agent ?
    http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...8/ai_n16691320


    Did the Cubans control and killed Allende during the Coup in the Moneda, so no suicide ?
    http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/123259.php
    http://againstred.blogspot.com/2005/...lvador_27.html



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    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...icle568154.ece

    here is also very interestng article about that times....

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    Thanks for the interesting link

    So the world is not black or white but grey....
    Did Pinochet prevent a communist regime in Chile: so 3000 killed\50 000 jailed by him was better then maybe more killed during a communist gulag chile ?
    http://pages.interlog.com/~girbe/chile.html

    Allende always an extremist ?
    Fascist in the youth, then a communist later
    http://www.firmaspress.com/564.htm


    Problem is: This is all halfofficial internet stuff, so what are Latin America historians saying today about this events ?


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    Hi Repman, what do you want do discuss?
    That Kissinger is still not in jail?
    That the US don´t apply their own rules on them selves?
    The bad reporting about this in the western media?
    ...

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    It is more a personal investigation reading this new links with the new informations on the background of the coup.

    A discussion one year ago
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...ighlight=chile

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    While Pinochet was brutal, he also did alot of good for Chile at least for awhile. The chilean economic miracle happened in his reign. Remember this was also in a time when it was considered a very real threat that most of S america would go communist. Its not entirely fair to say he was an evil bloodthirsty killer. Allende sucked, just as all communists suck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hounf of Culan View Post
    While Pinochet was brutal, he also did alot of good for Chile at least for awhile.
    No good happened under Pinochet.

    the Chilean economic miracle happened in his reign.
    Their was no Economic "Miracle" in Chile, under Pinochet their was massive unemployment and poverty.

    regardless of it's Authenticity, I'd rather be poor and free then Rich and oppressed.

    Remember this was also in a time when it was considered a very real threat that most of S america would go communist.
    Allende was democratically elected.

    Its not entirely fair to say he was an evil bloodthirsty killer.
    It's entirely fair to say that.

    Allende sucked, just as all communists suck.
    And Pinochet was so much better.

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    Pinochet was a disgusting person, responsible for mass murder and human misery. Of course a small elite benefited from his rule and some of the old nazi party were very happy with him. But hey he was not a communist or left leaning politicly so he was acceptable and sponsered by America.

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    Allende was democratically elected but maybe he was the communist wolf under the democrat sheepskin ?
    - in the youth fascist then change into a communist
    - paid by the KGB
    - had many cuban advisors
    - the country infiltrated by Russian KGB advisors and left death squads


    Interesting arcticle about the 31000 foreigners: KGB, Cuban,... in Chile
    http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles...4-FF46B4B16505
    based on this book from Gonzalo Rojas Sanches: heads the History Department at Chile's Catholic University
    http://es.catholic.net/comunicadores...o.php?id=14888
    the author
    http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gonzalo_Rojas_S%C3%A1nchez
    a little review of this book
    http://www.arbil.org/(79)roja.htm

    Here is a special of this author about 9\11 Coup
    http://www.despiertachile.cl/2005/oc...eptiembre.html
    Here an automatic english translation:
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    Wake up Chile wants to deliver to its readers on this special occasion, a tribute to our Armed Forces and the Police, our loyal appreciation and gratitude, when the current government is sponsoring a multimillion dollar campaign, raising the figure of Allende, the most ominous ruling that has taken our country.

    The following document was circulated to members of the Armed Forces and the Carabineros, by members of the military junta of government, shortly after the historic September 11, 1973:

    The following document was disseminated to the institution by Admiral Jose Toribio Merino Castro (QEPD), the same day the military intervention The September 11, 1973.

    On the content of these historical documents, there is no need to add anything. This was the Chile 1973 and the inevitable result that did speak to the last reserve moral of the Fatherland: its Armed Forces and the Police.
    To form an idea of what the country lived in the years before the September 11, 1973, please read the statistical tables are shown below.

    INDICATING THE LOW TABLES ABSTRACTS INCURRED BY TERRORISTS Guerrilla MARXIST A CIVILIAN AND MILITARY PERSONNEL AS ALSO ATTACKS EXTREME (1967-1973)

    The Guerrilla Army von 73 today compelled to be erased from the minds of Chileans, especially our youth and, necessarily forgotten, thanks to huge media apparatus of a socialist government, has allowed these people who yesterday raised his forehead and hailed as heroes for the Soldiers who liberated from the yoke Marxist Leninist, does not know the atrocities committed by the guerrillas socialists, communists, MIR and mapucistas who destroyed our land. Are listed here to remind one chilenos past of black history at the 1000 day of the Popular Unity government.

    There is no terrorist or being tried, or tried nor convicted of any terrorist offense. 227 terrorists who were prosecuted or convicted were pardoned by President Aylwin during his tenure. The only prosecutes Military Justice.
    The heroes of yesterday, thanks to the Government's communications apparatus has been turned into villains. It is the fear that the Socialists are those who yesterday defeated.

    Begin to spread the truth.
    One way to counter the disinformation is, for obvious enough, to report facts and realities indesmentibles. It's what makes Despierta Chile, virtually alone, at least for now. Anyone who has studied something about the psyche of the militant leftist, knows how it affects them in front with accurate arguments. The one can tolerate. Opt for violence and the disqualification lower. Well: a contest to see how these facts.
    From 1973 until 1998, the number of terrorists who received the benefits of different laws, was all of them if it worked 11.013. From the Amnesty Law and others. They are free by the same laws that our judicial authorities refuse to apply to members of the Armed Forces and Order and Security.

    The tepid recent attempt of President Lagos, which plunged the government into an endless clarifications, and the project they have submitted to Congress MPs from the UDI, with the support of 2 Senators Appointed by the Coalition to give these same benefits to staff Armed Forces and Carabineros who is serving prison sentences, and has had to be changed by the pressures of the uncompromising left-wing groups, leaving out the same to those who have held senior positions or important in the security agencies.
    Was it discrimination when applying these benefits to terrorists? For the 11,013 terrorists released by different laws, we must add 57 escapees from different prisons.

    A little history:
    In 1973, former president Salvador Allende personally ordered the release of 44 MIR terrorists who were being processed. Among them was his nephew Andres Pascal Allende and the entire dome of many banks MIR. Habían assaulted and murdered civilians and Carabineros indefensos.Los Courts of Justice, for its part, arranged a pardon to 27 MIR terrorists who had carried out numerous attacks on the private property.

    The military government, in addition to sending the estrangement to 999 MIR terrorists, communists and socialists, released conditionally to 96 terrorists who had been convicted by military tribunals, and also released a 22 terrorists who had been prosecuted or convicted by special laws.

    On April 19, 1978 was promulgated by Decree Law No. 2191, known as the Amnesty Law. In consideration of the implementation of this Act, the 9552 Military Government amnesty to terrorists, many of whom were abroad and could return to the country.
    Neither the Amnesty Law, or the Parole or prescription, or pardons, governing for the military. An example is that of General Manuel Contreras, Brigadier Pedro Espinoza, Major Carlos Herrera andCaptain Pedro Fernandez, who had to perform complete sentences in the Criminal Punta Peuco, as the Director of the Prison committed contempt against the Supreme Court, which ordered him on three failures to Parole. The Director of the Prison simply not complied with Judgments. For the military there is no Parole.

    Strangers awarded during the military government allowed 999 individuals migrate to 30 countries in the world, especially Europe and the United States.
    For individuals placed in Parole after serving part of his sentence, (96), were allowed to settle in 32 cities in the country. Terrorists benefiting from the amnesty, have been as follows benefited by the Military Government:
    559 terrorists were granted amnesty by the 7 Justices Militares.
    8.993 terrorists benefited from the amnesty in their own right. The bulk was abroad and returned to the country.
    Today, as has been clearly evident, for the Courts of Justice amnesty is only for the Marxist terrorists. 4 terrorists escaped from the prison of Valparaiso. None has been arrested or prosecuted so far.
    49 terrorists escaped from the prison in Santiago, with the help of terrorists abroad, a few days to conclude its military government. None has been arrested or prosecuted since then.

    During the administration of Patricio Aylwin gift were pardoned or sent into exile 258 individuals, all terrorists, who were convicted by the courts. These pardons and strangers favored all the terrorists who had killed or injured 760 men from the Forces for National Defense between 1973 and 1990, including the 5 bodyguards of President Pinochet.
    They were released the murderers of many military and the Carabineros, including the murderers of General Carol Urzúa, Colonel Fontaine, Lieutenant Colonel Roger Vergara, and so on.
    Escaped, by helicopter, 4 terrorist murderers of Senator Jaime Guzman, from the High Security Prison in Santiago. They were aided from abroad by members of the Front Manuel Rodriguez and other foreign extremist movements.

    ---------------------------------------------------
    And if it had not existed the Military Coup?

    Having passed 32 years since the pronouncement of the Armed Forces and the Carabineros, who finally heard the clamor of the people and the requests of the legislative and judicial powers, acted decisively and put an end to the misrule of Allende and the Unidad Popular, we You play to read fiction of the historian Gonzalo Rojas Sanchez, who analyzed what had happened in Chile if the Armed Forces and Carabineros, facing the aggression of Marxism, had not acted on September 11, 1973 in the way they did. Then stood then at the state of the country a year later, in 1974.
    No, there was no Eleven of septiembre.Es Thursday, September 19, 1974. The companion Salvador Allende commemorates the first anniversary of the popular uprising that began last year in full ellipse of the Martyrs of the People's Park, a former Park Cousiño.
    Por morning has put a wreath at the site that 27 militants were killed socialists to attack the guard regiment of Buin, the scene of the harshest clashes with the former Armed Forces, has offered a midday press conference alongside fellow Carlos Altamirano and Luis Corvalan, who have unveiled new details of how they are managed to avoid the Army, Navy and Air Force were aware of the time planning Z, carried out by their parties in conjunto.
    Entre other disclosures, said the companion Corvalán that the high command of the deposed last September 19, whoincreased resistance was opposed by the then commander in chief of the Army of the time, General Pinochet Ugarte. Consulted on his whereabouts, Corvalan said once again that Pinochet has been indicted, convicted and is serving that sentence. There have been no more detail andalusia respecto.

    Por afternoon, is expected to be Allende companion in Valparaiso to visit the widows of the 6 militants of the Communist Party who died in the explosion of the Cruise 0 Higgins, flown on September 20 1973 Bay of Talcahuano.
    At the same time, in 14 geographical points of the new Republic of Chile, the Revolutionary Committee of Commissioners of the Popular Unity has decided that this is the new name of the country last January 1, will be lifted today statues of Allende, Castro and Lenin , Which have been commissioned from various artists, Cubans, Nicaraguans, Russians and Vietnamese.
    Despite the diversity of its forms, which were revealed yesterday to the media, namely Channel 7, The Nation and the Century, and New World rays and Magallanes-all show the three leaders looking toward the future and somewhere in the respective pedestals reads: Cheers to the glories of the revolution. Pioneers of the Communist Youth and fry theSocialist Youth.
    Any outdoor advertising to promote the massive attendance at these events has been entrusted to the Brigades muralists Ramona Parra and Elmo Catalán, which since September 4 last with the quality of bodies of People's Consciousness and the Ministry of Propaganda.
    El only fact that has overshadowed the commemoration of the First Anniversary of the Popular Uprising, was the knowledge in Chile's semi-annual report of the International Red Cross, released in Geneva last September 4 and that until yesterday had not been commented on by the People's Government. In this regard, the minister of propaganda, mate Luis Maira, said in tone that is clear and direct information from the Red Cross, in the sense that Chile has established more than a dozen concentration camps, are completely false.
    Accessed by Maira Punto Final companion on the grounds that they were able to lead the international organization to lie in that way, the minister replied as follows: The People's Government knows very well that the press imperialist trick used to fool these philanthropic organizations: called concentration camps to the centers of social rehabilitation; qualifies as labor camps for the nucleiself-citizen and, even more grotesque, it uses the Gulag Chilean nomenclature for what is nothing more than an extensive system of social networking and employment of thousands of compatriots who require in-depth understanding of the revolutionary process, including those who should have been prosecuted and convicted for his repeated offenses against the revolution.
    In another vein, the Minister for the Armed Forces revolutionary comrade Volodia Teitelboim, has announced the degree of progress in setting up the new revolutionary army. After the deposition a year ago of more than 1,450 officers, progress has been made in recent months with the reclassification of other officers and 2200 classes, of which only 240 have so far been regarded as suitable for the new stage of revolutionary army liberating.
    They had been joined, reported the companion Teitelboim, 820 new officers and other classes, from the tables of paramilitary people's parties and those militants who took the MIR track with the signing of the Covenant institutional governance Forces Left , Last June 29. The companion Teiltelboim added that the rest of the new officers and NCOs are going to come from schoolsand special training camps this year to charge from the Technical University of the State and Peasant in the division Force Activity, INDAP.
    In both divisions, has been known, instructors and checoeslovacos Cubans are getting the best results for young people in the city, as well as farmers are eager to join the ranks of the new Revolutionary Army. Tomorrow 20th announcing the discussion in the Committee of Commissioners of the Popular Unity of the abolition of the holidays of the holy day Friday, August 15, December 8 and December 25.
    The written protest by some Catholic bishops will be considered as an entry but did not seem to be able to count votes in the Assembly mencionada.
    ----------------------------------------------------



    Gonzalo Rojas Sanchez

    VIVA EL 11 SEPTEMBER 1973 SECOND NATIONAL INDEPENDENCE!
    VIVA EL GENERAL PINOCHET! VIVA Admiral MERINO!
    VIVA EL GENERAL LEIGH! VIVA EL GENERAL MENDOZA!
    Long live our Armed Forces and Carabineros!
    VIVA CHILE!



    So the pinochet coup was a preeemptive strike to avoid a communist-cuban gulag ?
    3000 death 40000 jailed\tortured fascist style against ......death .....jailed\tortured communist style ?


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    Well, Castro also did a lot of good to his people - there's no illiteracy in Cuba, free healthcare and a 100% rate of college attendance. That does not mean he isn't a cruel and brutal dictator - the same applies with Pinochet.

    I can't see how there can be apologists for a man who ordered the army to shoot at a protest rally of pregnant women willing to see their missing husbands. Chileans haven't forgotten The Plaza de Mayo massacre and they never will.

    America's role in Allende's overthrow was criminal and absolutely unforgivable. Kissinger and other DoS personnel involved should stand trial for crimes against humanity. Brazil's part in this was also shameful, since brazilian SNI agents were the ones who taught Pinochet's secret police (DINA) how to torture. Brazil also supplied the insurgent military with weapons and light armor tanks.
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    Im just saying I think he gets a worse reputation about it then he deserved. One of my friends and his family are from Chile during his reign and they certainly think he did great things for the country.
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    What is the Point of comparing 9/11 to Chile. I see no connection as most of there things happened during the context of the cold war where any hint of Russian influence was snubbed. What is the point in this thread but pointless historical revisionism.

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    The Chilean coup happened in September 11th, 1973...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Consul View Post
    The Chilean coup happened in September 11th, 1973...
    Well, you see, the only 9/11 to him is the 9/11 tragedy in New York.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dash View Post
    Well, you see, the only 9/11 to him is the 9/11 tragedy in New York.
    i doubt the average user here was alive in 1973..... so of course the only 9/11 tragedy is NY 9/11.

    its also worth noteing the chile coup was never known as 9/11, thats a recent media creation.

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    The bad reporting about this in the western media?
    Thats not the problem.

    The problem is that the western media has its cock so far up their respective governments ass that no reporting can be done that does the government a disservice. ONLY if the government goes WAY out of line do they do their job.
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    See, thats why so many people hate the USA, they screwed many countries and were responsible for many disgraces, this kind of thing don't happened only in Chile...And yes, what USA did at 11/9 at Chile is MUCH worse then what the terrorists did at New York at 11/9!

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