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    Default The fate of small nations?

    Well,as you may know,small nations in this world are usually on the Americans side or the Russians.They have been occupied in the past and are meaningless in the modern world as they get on the news when only some very bad things happen in their country.

    So,what do you think what is the future of small nations.Will they be emerged with large ones or do they get the change to live in peace?


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    Either they get emerged, or, most of the other bigger nations split up to smaller ones. Emerged is more of a probability.
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    I think their destiny is to become parts of greater federations such as the eu,or to be annexed by countries of similar origin(hong kong-china).It is obvious that in a globalized world they can't remain isolated simply because they don't have the funds to do so.Some exceptions could be countries like switzerland with great wealth.Their governments will remain so in theory they will be sovereign but with limited jurisdiction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by katafraktos79 View Post
    I think their destiny is to become parts of greater federations such as the eu,or to be annexed by countries of similar origin(hong kong-china).
    do you even know what status hong kong was in? you make it sound as if it was a small sovereign country, not a small part of china that was force by the britains on a 100 year lease as a result of the opium war between the 2 countries involve.
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    Been from Norway i`m also worried about small country's sovereignty.
    My country will probebly join the EU at some point. But personally i do not want us to do so.

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    what does that mean? Do countries even matter today? Why does these "small" countries has to show themselves for something? Is this a movie where one has to show himself more to be the best?

    Oh and what is your standarts for "small" nation?
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    Merged with Russia.
    According to the Theory of War, which teaches that the best way to avoid the inconvenience of war is to pursue it away from your own country, it is more sensible for us to fight our notorious enemy in his own realm, with the joint power of our allies, than it is to wait for him at our own doors.

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    Oh please, those small ones just creep up on the back of the superpowers, waiting for them to fall.

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    I think your question is far too specific, could you possibly make it more vague and general so we can generate some meaningful converstation?

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    How do you class a small nation?

    If you class it geographically then the UK and Ireland,Japan and at a push Cuba are small nations and they have done well for themselves but other countries such as Latvia and Lithuania have not traditionally (i am aware that they are doing okay at the present).

    Or do you mean population wise? Then how does Australia fit in because it's lack of population compared to it's size would make it a small nation.

    Also the fate of small nations depends upon their neighbors more than themselves. For instance a small nation bordering a relatively peaceful nation would have a longer chance of remaining independent than a country bordering an aggressive one.

    But as a trend small nations traditionally collapse, are conquered by a larger nation, merge with another small nation with cultural or political similarities (such as your native Estonia merging with Latvia hypothetically) or create there own empires or large countries.

    Just remember countries are expanding and contracting all the time and today's small nation might be the superpower 200 years down the line or even the reverse (Holy Roman Empire now essentially just a mountain in Lichtenstein) so no one can accurately predict what will happen.
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    Oh well,I meant would the small nations survive the crisis that we have now...


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    Which crisis?

    I assume you mean the perceived threat of Russia (which i quite understand considering your countries location and size) due to the Georgia incident.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Their Law View Post
    Which crisis?

    I assume you mean the perceived threat of Russia (which i quite understand considering your countries location and size) due to the Georgia incident.
    Well,I meant the incoming economic crisis,the oil running out and prices going sky high...big nations would just annex the small ones to gain resources.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Soldier of God View Post
    big nations would just annex the small ones to gain resources.
    Never thought of that actually. If it gets really bad then the possibility is there unfortunately but it will be from the countries you least expect in my opinion.

    For example it is unlikely Russia would do it as it has considerable natural resources at it's disposal. However the real danger is from nations that are relying upon imports which would mean my country (UK) and the majority of western countries. However i hope this never happens and i would protest and rebel in my country if we took that stance on anything.

    Although Estonia does have nice forests I'm told. All hail her majesty the queen of Britain and Estonia!!!!!!!!
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    If Russia stopped trading with the west, won't that mean that like 90% of their trade goes out the window? Or do they trade a lot in the east?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soldier of God View Post
    Well,as you may know,small nations in this world are usually on the Americans side or the Russians.They have been occupied in the past and are meaningless in the modern world as they get on the news when only some very bad things happen in their country.

    So,what do you think what is the future of small nations.Will they be emerged with large ones or do they get the change to live in peace?
    They can't emerge into large ones. They can merge into large ones though...But the probability of that is low. There's a bigger chance big countries will split up, than the chance small countries will join...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Soldier of God View Post

    So,what do you think what is the future of small nations.Will they be emerged with large ones or do they get the change to live in peace?

    The baltic countries will be annexed by Sweden!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pallantides View Post
    The baltic countries will be annexed by Sweden!
    Uh...um...please say something serious...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Soldier of God View Post
    Uh...um...please say something serious...

    I'd love to be annexed by Sweden you know....

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    A new Swedish Empire? Yay! Welcome to the world of ridiciously high taxes, immigration going to hell AND you have to be 20 to buy alcohol.
    The old days were better. Not that I lived back then, but hey..


    Anyhow, as I said earlier, the most likely future IF there would be another great crisis, the smaller(size, population) would be annexed/merged. Why not merge the baltic states togheter?
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