Thread for Iraqis and Afganis who died as a result of the "war on terror"

[Playfishpaste]

Just wanted to get some of the off topic out of the 9/11 memorial thread. So, use this thread to commemorate lives lost and lives destroyed by our foolhardy government. I apologize for not having a spiffy memorial banner thing, but really I think it's pretty childish to do such things. Just say how you feel about it. I personally don't know anyone who died as citizens of either country (though I do know several people living in those countries) so I'll the commemoration to ya'll.

[Denny Crane!]

I personally think they were murdered, and I'm heart sorry for them. Statism is as bad as islamism, you might say that the latter is merely a symptom of the disease.

[Applesmack]

I personally think they were murdered, and I'm heart sorry for them. Statism is as bad as islamism, you might say that the latter is merely a symptom of the disease.

Best thing I heard all day Hats off to ya! I agree 100%

[Strattios]

Try looking into what the people targeted by the US have done, both to their own citizens and to foriegners. Everyone keeps nice precise ledgers and tallies of every mistake, error, or percieved slip-up made by those who try to make things better. That is a simple reality. Look at what the enemies of America do. As they are far from accurate (since no one seems to be concerened with what bad things they do, they still shouldn't be punished).

I say look at the numbers on both sides. Here are some starters:
http://www.iraqfoundation.org/news/2...27_saddam.html
http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Terrorism-...orism+sinc.htm

Even America has lost over 3,600 soldiers in Iraq alone, in addition to 3,000 citizens on 9/11. Any number you try to use as to how many civilians were killed by US troops in the War on Terror will be far from accurate. (terrorists are civilians who are willing to kill foriegners) And if you were paying attention to what was happening a few years ago, you would have seen the massive near daily killings of civilians in Iraq by terrorists.

[renegade765]

Ya I think a memorial for the civilians of those countries is a good idea.. Though I lay the blame at radicalism more than our government..

[Tajir]

Great topic.

And I think it does serve a purpose. Hopefully this example becomes popular and lawmakers will take into account the people who take their punishment.

Rest in peace to those who perished in this totally worthless conflict, on all sides.

[mrmouth]

Instead of starting a thread on a gaming forum, you could donate some money to build wells in Afghanistan, like I do. Put your money where your mouth is.

Note: your money would go to US non profit groups that sponsor the building of wells and the repairing of wells that were stopped up with concrete by the Taliban when towns and small cities didn't cooperate with them. A tactic that continues to this day, but started as soon as the Taliban came to power.

They are be built and repaired by US contractors and soldiers.


You could also donate to relief groups in your countries. Doctors Without Borders, etc. You should also note that they could not enter Afghanistan before the US entered Afghanistan. Since they have been operating in Afghanistan, under security of NATO and the US, they have saved the lives of around 500,000 civilians, and treated millions.

[Sevachenko]

Instead of starting a thread on a gaming forum, you could donate some money to build wells in Afghanistan, like I do. Put your money where your mouth is.

Note: your money would go to US non profit groups that sponsor the building of wells and the repairing of wells that were stopped up with concrete by the Taliban when towns and small cities didn't cooperate with them. A tactic that continues to this day, but started as soon as the Taliban came to power.

They are be built and repaired by US contractors and soldiers.


You could also donate to relief groups in your countries. Doctors Without Borders, etc. You should also note that they could not enter Afghanistan before the US entered Afghanistan. Since they have been operating in Afghanistan, under security of NATO and the US, they have saved the lives of around 500,000 civilians, and treated millions.

Well I don't think you should put him down because you happen to "donate". Just because you do doesn't give you the right to think you are his better. No one was disputing that the war in Afghanistan was just or not. As an American I'm against the Iraq war but I do think Afghanistan was in the right.

[Valiant Champion]

I dont know of anyone that this thread would be for. The people you want this thread to belong for them to meet and discuss things in are all dead.

[Portuguese Rebel]

I dont know of anyone that this thread would be for. The people you want this thread to belong for them to meet and discuss things in are all dead.

So are all the victims in 9/11. Yet that doesn't stop you yanks from every year pulling this card and expect respect, does it?

The victims' families and friends are still alive and they do remember, in both sides.

[Boyar Son]

So are all the victims in 9/11. Yet that doesn't stop you yanks from every year pulling this card and expect respect, does it?

The victims' families and friends are still alive and they do remember, in both sides.

yea we only remember 9-11 to get respect from countries. please go be a policeman somewhere else

@totalfanatic-"Not only that, but the way civillians are treated (searched constantly, only allowed to go to certain locations, etc)"

So easy to critcize when your not even part of the job. When we criticize Russia, the TWC G.R.U. members jump on us more then an American defending his country would in a anti-usa thread.

Any civ can be a potential insurgent. Insurgent use trickery to there advantage and pose as innocents. We take appropriate actions to see no one gets hurt. But is always messy when civs are around.

[The Cobra]

How many times must a man look up
Before he can see the sky?
Yes, ‘n’ how many ears must one man have
Before he can hear people cry?
Yes, ‘n’ how many deaths will it take till he knows
That too many people have died?
The answer, my friend, is blowin’ in the wind,
The answer is blowin’ in the wind.

[Carach]

Just wanted to get some of the off topic out of the 9/11 memorial thread. So, use this thread to commemorate lives lost and lives destroyed by our foolhardy government. I apologize for not having a spiffy memorial banner thing, but really I think it's pretty childish to do such things. Just say how you feel about it. I personally don't know anyone who died as citizens of either country (though I do know several people living in those countries) so I'll the commemoration to ya'll.

hope theres no alterior motive for making this thread, considering the US government havent actually ordered the deaths of anyone but its enemies (which isnt the civilian population of Iraq and Afghanistan).

.....im not american, btw.

[Shi Huangdi]

Just wanted to get some of the off topic out of the 9/11 memorial thread. So, use this thread to commemorate lives lost and lives destroyed by our foolhardy government. I apologize for not having a spiffy memorial banner thing, but really I think it's pretty childish to do such things. Just say how you feel about it. I personally don't know anyone who died as citizens of either country (though I do know several people living in those countries) so I'll the commemoration to ya'll.

It's fine to remember the Iraqi and Afghanistani civilians who died in the war on terrorism. But don't use that as an excuse to deny the necessity of the war itself.

[Panzerbear]

But don't use that as an excuse to deny the necessity of the war itself.

so the war was a necessity? what did it accomplish (in both Iraq and Afghanistan), besides the usual installment of puppet govts and additional growth of extremism in the Middle East?

9/11 has never been about Bin Laden and Afghanistan or Saddam and Iraq. it has always been about Saudi Arabia. something that you all chose to forget simply because this is where your oil comes from. US simply needed to vent off their rage steam after 9/11 attacks and Bush's govt channeled this rage into the "right" direction .

[Carach]

9/11 has never been about Bin Laden and Afghanistan or Saddam and Iraq. it has always been about Saudi Arabia. something that you all chose to forget simply because this is where your oil comes from. US simply needed to vent off their rage steam after 9/11 attacks and Bush's govt channeled this rage into the "right" direction .

..and the fact that they trained in afghanistan, the people that organised it were based in afghanistan, were there at the time etc etc....

little more to it than just 'venting off steam'.

[Panzerbear]

..and the fact that they trained in afghanistan, the people that organised it were based in afghanistan, were there at the time etc etc....

little more to it than just 'venting off steam'.

so screw that fact that overwhelming majority of the terrorists were from Saudi Arabia, that they lived in the US, that they trained how to fly airplanes in the US, and so on and so forth?

just a little background... http://www.jcpa.org/jl/vp504.htm

now you are seriously telling me that crawling in the mud and shooting AK-47 at "infidel" dummy targets gave them training to accomplish 9/11? or may be that this attack was carefully planned by a group of 3rd world country elders who sat in the Afghan cave and established plans how to bypass US security regulations, how to fly Boeing-747s, and so on and so forth?

how much more BS can you possibly take? yet again, why am I not surprised?

[Astaroth]

It's fine to remember the Iraqi and Afghanistani civilians who died in the war on terrorism. But don't use that as an excuse to deny the necessity of the war itself.

Very true. The innocent dead should be honored and never be forgotten, it is always sad if civilians have to suffer.

That said, great victories have been archieved - AlQaeda is weakened, Osama has long gone into hiding, Saddam is dead and both countries actually have a future again. A future! Imagine that. Instead of having a dictator who might gas them every other day, they have a democratic country (more or less), freedom of speech etc.

In a few years, both countries will (hopefully) be totally peaceful. Great progress, especially in Iraq, is reality. Once the US concentrates on Afghanistan, the taliban won't last much longer either.

Many great humans had to give their lives and we have to do everything we can to honor their deaths by keeping on the battle for a better future. If we give up now, all of those deaths will have been worthless - and I guess that is something nobody wants.

America has showed the world again that it will speak up against terrorism and dictatorships. People now know that the US will not let terroristic attacks, costing thousands of US lives, go unpunished. That no dictator can simply kick out nuclear weapon inspectors.

It was a costly war, both in terms of money and, more importantly, human lives. But despite so many people not wanting to accept that fact, it was also a successful one. Keep it up, USA!

[jankren]

It's fine to remember the Iraqi and Afghanistani civilians who died in the war on terrorism. But don't use that as an excuse to deny the necessity of the war itself.

Oh nizzle please ...

[The Cobra]

2,873 American Soldiers Have Died In Iraq whilst there were 95,373 civilian deaths from violence.
I can't see anything but tyranny.